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It began nearly two months ago with a phone call from Wolves' PR man Mike Cristaldi. I'd seen Kevin Love's first few games as a Timberwolf and was ridiculing reports from the Wolves' brass that Love had a 35-inch vertical jump, knowing from my own eyes that his hops weren't nearly that strong. I'd also ascribed the comment to Wolves' GM Jim Stack, noting that it was memorable because Stack had said so little during his tenure and yet went overboard on Love in the wee hours after the last minute trade with Memphis on draft night. Cristaldi said Stack wanted to talk with me about what I'd written and of course I said fine, whenever it was convenient.
Well, the first time we were going to do it, I had rotten laryngitiis and so had to cancel. Time lagged, and then Cristaldi finally called again and asked it I could do it just before Minnesota played the Thunder at Target Center on January 7--a week ago yesterday. Sure. And so we did: About a 15-minute talk that I figured I'd post in this downtime between the Tuesday night game with Miami that I wrote about on Wednesday and the Friday night game out in Phoenix that I won't blog about until late Sunday.
First, Stack just wanted to say that if he had left the impression that Love had a 35-inch vertical, that it wasn't what he meant to convey. "I thought maybe you misconstrued what I said. Kevin is not a bad athlete. But we didn't draft him because he was a great athlete and if that is how it came across, I certainly didn't mean that. It was more in the context of, I think his numbers compare favorably with Al Horford's, and I don't think anybody has disputed that Al Horford is athletic enough to be in the NBA.," he said, as we settled into a pair of seats on the sidelines about an hour before tip-off. Fair enough. Looking back over my live-blogging that night, I noticed that I directly quoted Stack about the Horford comparison and then paraphrased the more specific notes about a 35-inch vertical and a 9-inch wingspan, meaning I can't be sure it was Stack who directly said those things. But no matter: The guy had made himself available to me and I thought it best to ask a few other things. My tape recorder is one of those tiny digitals and there was a lot of ambient crowd noise, but as best I can make it, here is a transcript of the rest of our conversation.
JS: I wasn't saying that Love is a great leaper or a great athlete, because we know he is not. But I think when you put him in certain situations--like what Kevin [McHale] is trying to do, which is get him more on the baseline, catching the ball and going to the rim. Whereas when Randy [Wittman] was coaching him, Randy coached Dwight Howard in Orlando, they had this thing called circling under, where as the guard in the high pick-and-roll is coming off, you [the big] try to get in front of your man and create that lane to the bucket. And if the guard can't turn the corner, you try and hit that big in the lane near the basket, and that is not really Kevin's game. And Randy was trying to incorporate that and did incorporate that with us. It was the exact opposite of how I thought the kid should be used.
BR: Especially given how many times he's had his shot blocked that way, catching and shooting in the low block.
JS: Absolutely. But anyway, that was kind of the gist behind why I wanted to talk to you; to sort that out about what I said [about Love on draft night].
BR: No problem. And now that we're here, let me ask you a few other things. Has it been a month since the change with Kevin?
JS: I guess about three weeks.
BR: So, on a practical level, what has changed?
JS: I think in the front office, well obviously one change is that Kevin is concentrating his full duties on coaching the team and I am kind of the head man on working the phones and keeping wired into what is going on. Our goal is trying to get the team playing better and where we are at.
BR: When you say you are wired in and heading the phones, does that mean you are the one looking for and receiving talk about trades or looking for reports from scouts about draft picks or scouting reports from players in Europe?
JS: A combination of all of that, yes. I think this time of year, with the [trade] deadline about a month or five weeks away, you circle around the league. I think there is stuff that I have looked at myself, where if I could make this or that happen for the team to put us in a better position, it is all that stuff.
BR: Now if there is something you like in terms of a deal, whether it is something you generate or something that comes to you, what will unfold then? Will you take it to Glen [Taylor]? Will you take it to the committee upstairs like Rob [Babcock] and Freddie [Hoiberg]? Will you meet with Kevin [McHale]?
JS: Well generally I work a little bit independently, where I think I can talk to Glen and just wait and see, because generally trades take time to germinate; you've got to lay a seed, plant a seed, maybe lay down some parameters. I don't think you just pick up the phone and say, 'Okay, I'll trade so-and-so for so-and-so." It is over a period of weeks.
BR: So everybody is eventually kind of being apprised of what you are thinking at some point though--or at least Glen is?
JS: Exactly. You try and give him the heads up and he knows the thought process and what is going on.
BR: But in this 'seeding' process, how much will let you let other people know about it during that period?
JS: I'll try and keep things closer to the vest then. Until I really feel like I've got something that is warming up--because there is so much banter that goes back and forth and if you talk about all that it is just a waste of breath. But if I feel like there is something, hey, that is moving along, progress being made, I give Glen a little heads up and then maybe bounce it off Freddie a little bit. But I am more in the 'wait until I get further down the field' before I start throwing stuff out. That's how I work it.
BR: I am not going to ask specifics because I know you wouldn't tell me anyway, but what are teams generally wanting to discuss with you? Are they looking for cap relief from you guys, or talent from you guys, or looking to unload cap relief on you guys, or what?
JS: It depends on the situation. We've got expiring contracts and we've got guys who are valued around the league. We've got three or four guys who I could say we could probably do some stuff if we so choose to. So it depends on the team and where they are at in their incubation process.
BR: Has the dynamic with other teams changed in the past week or two as you guys have been winning and playing better?
JS: Well it always helps.
BR: But from your end as well as their end. I mean, there had to be a point at some time in this season where you guys had to seriously think about whether you wanted to strip this roster right down to the studs.
JS: Right.
BR: Versus now, where maybe you are saying, 'Oh, maybe we have a 2 guard after all.'
JS: I think right now, the fact that we have been playing better, although it has been against some of the dregs of the league, at least it is showing that we are getting some staying power, and that the guys are feeling better about themselves and we can sustain our level of play for a longer period of time. That being the case, I think the league might be saying, 'Well this guy is coming into his own a little bit,' and that type of thing. So obviously when you win you deal a little more from a position of strength. But at the end of the day, whether that becomes the main component or not remains to be seen. Just because a guy has a couple of good weeks, there is the whole breadth of things and that takes a while for the process to work out.
I'd like to give Kevin a little credit here. Kevin couldn't have taken over at a worse time. We had one practice and we played about six games in eight or nine days against some really tough teams. Now he has been able to show guys how we are going to play, getting guys to feel a little bit better about themselves--I think that has been one of his big strengths. Getting guys confident with themselves and getting them to be relaxed and playing within a system. Just having an indentity and a system of play. Before we were kind of all over the place and morphed into whoever we were playing that night and that became a big problem. Hopefully it will continue to be more cohesive and we will see the identity take place enough where we can say, 'okay, this is more of a long-term guy and we need more of this and more of that.' When you can't establish an identity and style of play, it is very hard to pin those things down. So that is kind of where we at. We are on that road, but I would like to walk down that road a little further before we jump in and draw conclusions.
BR: Everybody is talking about 2010 in terms of free agency and how teams are preparing. A realistic appraisal is that you aren't going to get the LeBrons and Wades of the world in that year anyway.
JS: Right. But what I said publicly is that we have cap space to sign major free agents. I think if you make that statement, whether you can definitely get guys are not, that lends credibility and viability to the franchise. It is, 'Hey, we can stand toe to toe and compete for these guys.' Whether you go that route or not.
BR: And you do have an owner who has been willing to spend money in the past.
JS: Exactly.
BR: At the very least you've got somebody who agents should want to talk to.
JS: No doubt about it.
BR: But what I was trying to get at before, is have you considered trying to jump-start the process and start angling for some other free agents who aren't the big guys but who are coming out in 2009 who could help you, or by dealing with teams who are positioning for 2010 who might unload their players?
JS: It all depends, sure. That is stuff we are definitely looking at. I think there are some undervalued players who have already signed deals that maybe we could target and say, 'With this skill set with the rest of the guys we have here, he could be a great fit,' and use a little of our [cap] room that way and still have enough to go get somebody, another significant piece, in 09 and then you are a little more viable.
BR: When you look at the roster of this team, what is the biggest need, a center or a point guard?
JS: I think we need more overall playmaking and a defensive presence at the basket. Those are the two areas where I think we really have to address. And I'm disappointed to date that we haven't shot the ball better. Because I thought going into the year that that was an area where we are really going to do well and for whatever reason, whether it has been the system or the identity we haven't done that. When you consider that McCants has taken a step back from averaging 15 and 41% from the 3, and that Foye struggled early on, and now we are starting to fine--
BR: --and for whatever reason you haven't been getting the production out of Miller.
JS: Right, and Love I thought would shoot better earlier, but he's going to go through some rookie ups and downs. I thought that would be one thing you could say though: That we could put lineups on the floor that would be able to put the ball through the basket. I think that is going to get better and better, Britt, I really do. Because guys are better understanding 'This is where I need to be,' and 'This is the style we are going to play.' Where--I don't want to denigrate Witt, that's your guys' job--but he had so many plays in our system with only one option and nothing laid on top of each other and guys were more worried about what the play was. Now we have fewer plays and more options and that's what we're shooting for and I think that is a more pleasing style for the fans too.
BR: How did the decision to move Randy more permanently to the 2 guard take place?
JS: I don't know that it is a permanent move, from the standpoint of we want to play a multi-push offense. Telfair will get the lion's share of the minutes with Ollie out, but as we saw the other night, he's not going to play all 48 minutes. Randy has got to play at the point. Now we want him to play to his strengths and be an attacker. I think he makes plays better on the move rather than reading things and choosing this option as opposed to that option. That being the case, we should get him aggressive early and then move him over to the point a little bit, and get him into some angle pick and rolls. That's where his execution skills come to the fore, versus setting things up. If you look at the league, there are maybe 8 to 10 teams that can really play a system with a [true] point guard. They're hard to find. For me, if you have joint combo guards, you might as well have two or three of them because then they become more interchangeable and hopefully we are big enough to defend, which I think Randy has proven.
BR: And then there is the center. It does seem like Jefferson and Love can get some rhythm, and I can see how they fit on offense. Defensively, what happens: Do you just go with the best matchups?
JS: You know Al has definitely, the job for him is to step up and play better defensively: Pushing guys off their spots, running back, being a presence in the lane, moving laterally on the pick and roll defense, all those things. I think Kevin is a pretty good help defender. What Kevin does is open his body up so guys can get in on him. The rules where you can use an arm bar and a bent elbow are there, but he has a good feel for help and then getting back to his man and getting a rebound area for himself. But to answer your question, yes: I believe this very strongly and I know Kevin [McHale] does, that as a rookie I know fans want Kevin [Love] to play more minutes. People have said 'Why doesn't Kevin play more minutes?' I think I have heard you say that, to develop him. The thinking is, if you give things to these guys, the rookies, too soon and too easily, they take it for granted and don't appreciate it enough and they don't work at it. Even going back to my days in Chicago; we had Horace Grant, Scottie Pippen, all these guys and we started Brad Sellers and Charles Oakley and we made the younger guys earn their spurs. As we go on near the halfway point, Kevin's minutes will go up. But that's why we have a Brian Cardinal out there. Because he does provide some elements of comfort and some cerebral elements that Kevin can learn from and appreciate the way he goes about his job. That's the thought process there. Now if we had a LeBron or a Carmelo or some special talent, that is a little different. But this is the way we are approaching it.
BR: Okay, I appreciate all the time, thank you.
JS: Now you can't say this is the guy 'who doesn't say anything' [laughs], or 'who almost never talks,' I think it was. This has been fun. Whenever you want to talk, I'm available.
Congrats on getting the interview Britt. Good Questions.
It is encouraging that Stack senses there may be bargains out there as teams are looking to dump salary. Quality players can be had by teams that have some cap space or willing to take on longer contracts. The wolves would qualify as one of those teams. One example that I've been sorta fixated on is trying to pry Caron Butler from Washington. The Wolves could offer expiring contracts and draft picks.
It is also encouraging that Stack sees the same weaknesses as many of us: interior defense and playmaking. This bodes well for the upcoming draft and free agency in terms of who the wolves might target.
Thanks again for the coverage.
Interesting. It was almost like listening to a Terry Ryan interview, and, God knows, we could use more of those from our local team mouthpieces.
As well as being heartened by Stack's comments, I am left wondering why, if they felt that way about Wittman, he was allowed to stay in his position so long?
From the interview it seems that if Stack had been in charge, Wittman would have been ousted much sooner. Another good omen. Of course he could also be throwing Wittman under the bus...
I commend you, Britt, for the great volley of interview questions. You asked all the questions that those of us in the frozen tundra were wondering about.
Yes, Captain, Britt asked the questions. I'm not too sure about the answers...
Britt: "...what is the biggest need, a center or a point guard?"
Stack: "[mumble]...I'm disappointed to date that we haven't shot the ball better."
Excellent stuff. Tip-top material that is deserving of wide-wide coverage. I like Jesus Jim. I think he's a good interview and here's hoping that he has an independent voice in the FO.
To be fair, he said they need more overall playmaking and a defensive presence at the basket. That's a pretty clear indicator that he thinks they need both. I agree with him in the sense that having a true point guard and a couple of playmaking combo guards is a good way to go; also, a defensive presence near the basket is more important than worrying too much about a true center.
I'm impressed by Stack's willingness to talk and his candor. He sent a very thoughtful and descriptive e-mail to another "blogger" this summer that gave some great insight about their thought process during the draft. He's not just spouting talking points.
There was some clarity acheived there on Stack's role, and moreover, McHale's as pertains to front office decisions. Some, especially those at the Fan, have displayed cynicism that anyone other than McHale might actually be making the major calls- but Stack made a point of clearly stating that he wasn't touching base with McHale during any dealings (and Freddie Iowa got barely a nod). Maybe, er hopefully, it's less of a gang than previously thought.
What do you think about Joe Johnson as a 2010 free agent target ? He's 6'7", can probably play the 2 or 3 position, maybe even a little point guard at times. He's a proven scorer and can get to the FT line. The only thing is that we need a point guard and center more than we need a 2 or 3 position player, with Foye's emergence and Brewer/Carney/Gomes at the 3. If we could play Foye and Johnson together, it would provide some dynamic scoring punch and take pressure off Al, though. We won't get LeBron or Wade or Bosh, so we have to look a bit further down the line for 2010.
Very interesting interview.
What I took from it was the lack of committee approach that Taylor told us about.
I think that may have been intentional on Stacks part. Get it out there that some things rest on him.
I highly doubt he is not talking to other Front office people about possible scenarios for trades. IS he talking about every offer made or ones he makes, probably not. But, I think he probably includes others more than he lets on in the interview.
Rob
Nice read - it's also comforting to know that Jim is watching the games and paying attention to what he thinks our squad's strengths and weaknesses are. I try not to glean too much from "top exec" interviews, but at least it sounds like Jim has a good head on his shoulders - I really don't know too much about the guy as it is.
DR_JPK - I think we'd all agree that Caron is a great player, and unfortunately for us has a reasonable contract (3years/$30mil remaining). I'm not sure it's possible to get a player like that in his prime without giving up something very valuable.
I think if we do anything in 2009, it will be a small tweak - maybe getting Anthony Carter or Bobby Jackson as a short-term upgrade over Ollie at PG. Depending on the economy in 2010, the "dregs" of that free agent class will probably be had for cheap - there will be several starting-caliber players who will take less that year than they could probably get otherwise.
Kudos, Britt.
If you turn the clock back just a couple of months, Hoiberg was the only guy doing any interviews. Nobody with power Coach, Gm, wwas opening their mouths.
Moving McHale to the bench and elevating Stack has now opened two streams of communication which is great for serious fans. Kevin's postgames and his lengthy interview on the FAN last week felt like the Kevin of old.
Stack offered as much as you might hope a savvy GM would.
There is quite a bit of corner turning from this team in the past six weeks.
Agreed AK. This could have gotten very ugly since the firing and I'm beginning to think it will work out well. It's nice to see a single voice come out of the front office. The thing that really, really worries me is that they will have some sort of nonsensical Triangle of Authority and the buck will be passed along into nothingness.
I'm assuming that most everyone who stops by On The Ball also heads to Canis Hoopus (canishoopus.com) for Wolves and hoops related info. And I sincerely regret that I don't have a "blog roll" or pay the courtesy of participating on sites that have always been very generous toward mine, including Henry Abbott's TrueHoop, Kelly Dwyer's Ball Don't Lie, and Sonia's Twolvesblog.
But most of all I feel indebted to Stop-n-pop, who always comes over and elevates the level of the comments section with original opinions backed by well-researched information. If there were more hours in the day, I'd try to reciprocate, but since I believe you're in for a penny, in for a pound in such matters, I always demur.
That doesn't mean I don't read Canis Hoopus, however, and in fact have begun to make it a regular part of my internet rounds. I mention all this now because the other day he put up a post about how he feels the Wolves should build in the future, and it is the most thorough and detailed prospectus that you are likely to find outside the inner sanctum of the franchise. Unlike me, S-n-P knows the college game, follows Europe, and is very conversant with the contract status of NBA players. In other words, he thinks like a GM.
So, if you haven't been there recently, check it out (and scroll down to the image of a cartoon construction worker, as he continually updates and it was have moved down the page).
It is simply amazing how nobody involved with this franchise can ever hold themselves accountable for anything. Just mind boggling.
We might throw more ex-coaches under the bus than any team in the history of the NBA. Why is it so hard to just admit that maybe Witt was a bad choice to hire to replace Casey?
Great, great stuff. Hope you'll do it again later on. Like it a lot.
It's good that Stack recognizes what this team needs, but let's not think that complimentary pieces along the frontline and in the backcourt will get it done for this franchise. Our two emerging "stars" - Randy Foye and Al Jefferson - are one-way players that don't do much to help the squad unless their shots are falling. I could never envision the two of them delivering a title, unless they are the 3rd or 4th best players on the team. We should be doing everything possible to find guys with upside, regardless of position, not complimentary vets that will help us achieve a 45-win ceiling.
Nice interview Britt. It is nice to hear that the FO thinks like a number of us fans do, the need for a defensive presence and a PG/Combo, acknowledging that Foye, while a very good guard, is not a true PG. Hopefully, Stack will get a chance to see what he can do with this team. I definately hope that McHale doesn't have a final say-so on any personel decisions.
Thanks for the kind words Britt. Very much appreciated.
I'm a big Joe Johnson guy. He's one of those "quiet" super stars. Love his game and how he could fit with the Wolves.
Interestingly, the Wolves publicized needs are the 1 and 5 spots. While Gomes is a good player and could play with any combination of Wolves lineups, it would be nice to get a star small forward on this team. A guy like Joe Johnson, Luol Deng, or even Shawn Marion - although I don't believe he would want to sign here.
Dallas trades Diop to the Bobcats for Matt Carrol and Ryan Hollins. He's not great but he earns his check playing defense and is probably 5 or 6 inches taller than anyone on our club not named Al. I'd gotta think we could put up a better offer than that...
Seemed to panic a bit when you pushed him on a definitive answer on exec responsibility. Clearly no "Yes, I'm in charge of trading." More like, "Yes, I am the trade sales representative who needs the other guys to sign off before I can approve this super-duper deal." Happily, he does seem to be actively watching games, evaluating talent, and he didn't mention the need to pray or Jesus leading the way.
Cardinal's trade value probably can't get any higher. Featuring Collins to show that he can actually still function on the court wouldn't be a bad idea. As the deadline nears and someone decides they desperately need a backup center for the playoffs, it wouldn't hurt to remind them that there's an ice fish available other than Madsen.
Oddly, even though this team really has no chance of going anywhere, I think short term thinking might be the best move. This little run of decent ball has energized the fan base and though a great trade can also energize the fan base I kind of want the wins now (what few we can get). Also with Foye and Love playing well, it still feels like building for the future.
As SnP frequently reminds us, this draft and the 2009 free agent class are the crucial things for this franchise, neither of which is profoundly affected by a midseason trade.
McHale re Jason Collins (Star Tribune):
: Collins hasn't played a minute since McHale became coach on Dec. 8.
: "It wasn't anything Jason did," McHale said
: Let me tell you something: Jason is a world-class kid.
:We're really lucky to have that guy. At that point,
: we're trying to look at some of the younger guys,
: different combinations and who works well with Al.
:
: "We're going in a little bit of a different direction
: right now. Jason has been as professional as anyone
: could be."
Obviously the question came up because the Wolves were playing Phoenix/Shaq and Collins is the only Timberwolf approaching Shaq sizing.
Don't we assume that GM McHale acquired Collins as part of some "direction" he had in mind? If it wasn't something that Jason "did", what has caused Coach McHale to go in a new direction?
Haven't been able to post much lately, so I've missed a bunch of the discussion since the winning began. Thus, my post will be a bit off topic from the Stack interview. Anyway, a few thoughts...
1) The team is playing now the way many thought they would when the season began. It's hard not to give Mchale some credit for that as a coach, as clearly he's doing something Wittman couldn't.
2) The biggest on-court difference, IMO, is Randy Foye. He now looks like a 3rd year version of the player we saw as a rookie. For awhile there, he seemed to have contracted the same ailment that turned McCants from a promising young talent into a disappearing act. With Foye pressuring defenses from the perimeter, complimenting Big Al doing the same thing inside, the Wolves are a much tougher matchup late in games.
3) And really, that's a lot of the difference between the close games we're winning now and the close games we lost earlier in the season. The Wolves were competitive for much of the early season, but late in games teams would take away Big Al and the team couldn't score enough to win. Now, late in games, teams have to pick their poison and Foye has been delivering.
4) This team has become fun again. Regardless of the win/loss record, I think that was all that many of us were asking for in the short term. Put a product out there that I can watch without having to force myself to do it...it's starting to feel like that mission is accomplished.
Diop just signed a 5 yr deal for the MLE and barely brings more than Collins. I wouldn't pay a backup center that much when the team needs to pay high-level talent.
Speaking of the MLE, Kevin Pelton at Basketball Prospectus has a few interesting articles about how the exception has worked out in practice:
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=116
http://ww.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=412
"Our Baseball Prospectus colleagues are fond of quoting the Bill Veeck axiom that, "It isn't really the stars that are expensive. It's the high cost of mediocrity." These numbers tend to bear that out. Wins become more expensive as salaries go down until you reach the surprisingly-effective group of players making between $1.2 and $2.0 million, approximately the value of the bi-annual salary cap exception.
In part, the group of players making less than the mid-level exception but more than the bi-annual exception is hurt by the fact that it contains two of the league's most notably misrated players, defensive specialists Raja Bell and Bruce Bowen. Bell and Bowen combined for -7.5 WARP last season because their defensive efforts are not accurately valued. Even if you account for that, however, it's clear that these players are even less productive for their teams than those signed for the full mid-level exception. So it's hardly a given that teams that split the mid-level exception or use less than its full value are getting a better deal. (The champion Celtics did seem to work the system last year, using the mid-level to add key reserves James Posey and Eddie House.)
I'd long suspected that one reason the mid-level exception has been such a loser for teams is because there is no ability to compete in terms of salary. That is, if multiple teams are looking to sign the same player and all are over the cap, they are all limited to the value of the mid-level, meaning the length of the contract is the only potential difference between the offers. I figured that meant longer deals for players signed using the mid-level exception."
...bottom line, it's not the best use of money to find replacement value players. I know we complain a bit about guys like Craig Smith getting signed, but he's a bargain when you look at what it would take to find an MLE replacement. Wins produced are expensive and short of signing upper-level players you should try to maximize your dollars with smaller contracts on replacement-level roster filler. In other words, Bassy at $2.5 mil/year is far more valuable than any MLE point the Wolves could bring in during the off-season.
Interesting how Pelton lists the Five Worst Mid-Level Contracts. Numbers 3-5
Michael Olowokandi, Minnesota - Too often overlooked amongst terrible No. 1 picks in favor of Kwame Brown; swapped in exchange for another MLE bust, Mark Blount
Troy Hudson, Minnesota - A hip injury has likely ended Hudson's career with two years left on his deal
Brian Cardinal, Memphis - Six-year deal was too long after breakout season
Britt,
What happened to Sunday night? Hoping for a post soley dedicated to breaking down the Suns game. By far the biggest win of the season.
Don't forget that his best MLE example was a player signed away from the Wolves: Chauncey Billups. Just another example of McHale's baffling reign in the front office. It's like the guy couldn't even put together a simple spreadsheet in order to run a calculation on what his dollars were producing in terms of win shares, points, and so on and so forth.
I'm guessing that you don't buy Glen Taylor's perspective that McHale wanted Billups back, Billups wanted to come back but wanted a guarantee that he'd start, and he left because Flip wouldn't commit to him. I think the idea's at least credible.
Oops, I meant plausible. This organization hasn't shown an overwhelming amount of credibility. I'd disagree with the Kandi signing being extremely bad; if they'd let him play out his contract, the harm would've been minimal.
I guess I'd wonder where the buck stops when it comes to a situation where the owner and Basketball VP want a guy and the coach won't commit to him.
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