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Game #5, Road Game #2: Sacramento 121, Minnesota 109

Game #6, Road Game#3, Portland 97, Minnesota 93

Season record: 1-5

1. No Illusions 

Let's not have any illusions about how poorly the Minnesota Timberwolves have begun the 2008-09 season. Not a single one of the opponents in the Wolves' first six games has a record above .500, despite the distinct advantage of getting to play Glen Taylor's lackluster, underachieving ballclub from the northern tundra. The combined record of Sacramento (twice), Dallas, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, and Portland against Minnesota is 5-1. Against the rest of the NBA, those teams are 4-17, for a composite 9-18. The Wolves have yet to play any of the league's 7 consensual elite teams: the Lakers, Utah, Houston, New Orleans, Boston, Cleveland or Detroit. They have been relatively unscathed by injuries. And after a vow by their head coach that the team would emphasize little else but team defense during the preseason, they have begun their regular season by yielding the fifth-most points per game in the 30-team NBA.

When a ballclub stumbles out of the gate this badly, there is obviously plenty of blame to go around. With the exceptions of this year's first-round pick Kevin Love and backup point guard Kevin Ollie, there isn't a player on the roster whose performance has exceeded my expectations thus far this season--and I predicted a 30-52 record. In reviewing this weekend's latest pair of defeats, it becomes increasingly apparent that some things need to be called out, even if (especially if?) longtime readers notice some redudancy in the complaints.

2. Twin Damns: Smallball and Big Al's Inconsistent Defense 

During the Media Day gathering traditionally held just before the onset of the preseason, team leader Jefferson was asked how the Wolves could become a better defensive club. "I think by me being a better defensive player the team will be better on defense. That is one thing I have to step up on this year and I've been working on it," Jeffeson earnestly replied. Then, with a little smirk on his face, he added, "One thing I messed up on was showing the coach I could do it [play defense] last year, and he's going to be expecting that out of me all the time." In response to whether he'd play the center or power forward spot, Jefferson said, "Whichever one I play, I feel like if the players see me as the captain on the defensive end it will makes things a lot better."

Well, yes, it certainly would. Except that Jefferson decides to take plays, quarters, and--judging by the absence of sweat equity in Friday night's ugly, lazy loss to the Kings--perhaps even whole games off. In that sense he is indeed the "captain" of this ballclub on defense. 

Yes, Jefferson carries the load as the waystation for the team's offense at the other end of the court. And yes, he is consistently played out of position at center when it is obvious that he is more comfortable and effective with a staunch, defensive-oriented big man beside him. And yes, there are others on the squad whose flagrant inability to guard people can be as egregious as Jefferson's failings--on Friday, depending on his mood, Kings' forward John Salmons alternately undressed, de-pantsed and wedgied Mike Miller.

But that's no excuse for the way Jefferson mailed in his mental and physical commitment to defense in what should have been one of the few eminently winnable road games the Wolves will play this season. If he wasn't getting beaten down the court in transition or posted up by Brad Miller or Mikki Moore, he was AWOL or, at best, woefully late, on help rotations or in guarding the rim against penetration. When the Sacramento Kings get 50 points in the paint, and 121 overall en route to shooting 54.8% from the field, well, it is time to remember that big talk from Big Al on Media Day, and remind him how cheap it sounds.

Coach Randy Wittman was appropriately livid following the Kings' pasting, putting the Wolves through a strenuous practice despite the fact that the team was about to take the court on the second end of a road back-to-back against Portland Saturday night. And so what do you know--Jefferson came to play against the Blazers. When Portland's LaMarcus Aldridge ran gazelle-like down the court in hopes of a breakaway layup, Jefferson hustled back with him in transition and was there to deter the downcourt pass. Then there was the memorable series where he thrice went up and blocked Blazer shots in a single possession during the third quarter. As Jefferson noted on Media Day, these outbursts of quality defense demonstrate that he's capable of being a force at that end when he puts his mind to it. Which, given his gross inconsistency since donning a Wolves uniform, damns his commitment and tarnishes his reputation.

But here's the painful rub: According to plus/minus numbers compiled before the two games this weekend, Jefferson is missed more than any other Wolves player when he goes to the bench in terms of points allowed by the defense. Unfortunately, this has less to do with the stellar caliber of Big Al's D than it does with the rotten alternatives wrought by Coach Randy Wittman, who actually goes *smaller* with his front line when subbing in for Jefferson. 

Through the San Antonio overtime game, the disparity of points allowed per/48 minutes when Jeffeson was on the court (92.8) versus when he was off (108.5) was the widest of anyone on the ballclub. But it isn't hard to figure out why: The second best disparity belongs to Kevin Long. The worst disparity is posted by Craig Smith, whose numbers are nearly the mirror opposite of Jefferson's: 108.9 points allowed per/48 when he plays, versus 91.9 points per/48 when he doesn't. Mike Miller (who's slow defensive reactions and lack of lateral movement have been a bad revelation thus far) is second-worst; but third-worst is Ryan Gomes--101.7 pts per/48 when he's on the court, versus just 92 pp48 when he's on the bench.

So what does this mean? Just maybe, that when Wittman plays people who are mediocre at post defense (Jefferson and Love), the Wolves defend a lot better than when the coach puts out undersized, overmatched players (Smith and Gomes) in the post.

This weekend's games amplify the point. You didn't need a plus/minus chart to see how badly Jefferson was faring on defense Friday night against the Kings, yet it was still a damn-sight better than when Witt *teamed up* his pint-sized bigs down in the paint. That's right, there were three different stretches when Smith and Gomes played C and PF together, for a grand total of 8:08, during which time the Wolves were minus -13. During the 9:35 he played without Smith, Gomes was a net zero; during the 6:07 he played without Gomes, the Rhino was minus -3.

Even more revealing is what happened on Saturday night, when Wittman *finally* deigned to play his lone healthy big who makes low post defense his abiding priority--Mark Madsen. Prior to Portland, Mad Dog had either been consigned to street clothes or DNP-CD. And Gomes had had one cup-of-coffee length workout at the small forward slot the entire season. But during two separate stints covering 9:04, Madsen at center, Smith at power forward and Gomes at small forward were a plus +4. When Gomes likewise got 4:08 at small forward beside Smith and Jefferson, he was a net zero. Yet in the 6:55 Gomes played power forward, he was minus -7. 

In other words, during this weekend's games, Gomes was a net plus +4 for the Wolves during the 21:53 when he wasn't playing the 4 beside Craig Smith against Sacramento, and wasn't playing power forward at all versus Portland. But because Gomes did log that 8:08 with Rhino in Sactown and spent 6:55 playing power forward against perhaps the tallest frontline in the NBA, the numbers show him as a composite minus -16 in those two games. Bottom line, the way Randy Wittman is using Ryan Gomes makes him look a hell of a lot worse than he really is.

3. Wittman and McHale

As some of the more astute commenters on this site have noted, the two biggest questions facing the Wolves franchise going forward at the end of last season were whether or not Randy Foye could handle the point guard duties and if the Wolves had enough size to adequately defend in the paint. Six games into the season, Foye's capability (or lack thereof) to run the offense and the team's interior defense remain at best huge question marks. Responsibility for that stasis rests with Coach Wittman and VP McHale.

Longtime readers will remember that I repeatedly emphasized that Foye was not a point guard throughout his rookie season, and that I caused a fair amount of consternation among some of the faithful here in my rough assessment of Foye after he came back from injury last year. This season, knowing that the alternative was poor-shooting Sebastian Telfair, I decided to cut him some slack, merely noting that if Foye could justify the faith placed in him by the Wolves front office and coaching staff, I''d add another five wins to their victory total.

It is entirely understandable that ill will has begun to coalesce around Wittman's performance thus far this season, given that he has actually lowered his career .333 winning percentage while guiding a ballclub he repeatedly claimed would be improved over last year's model. In fact, Witt has become such a lightning rod that less ire is directed at his immediate boss, Kevin McHale, than was true a year or two ago. Granted, McHale has made some savvy moves in that time, dumping almost all his onerous contracts (Blount, Davis, Jaric, Hassell, Hudson) getting decent (but nowhere close to equal) value in the Garnett trade, and pulling off a nifty draft-day swap that brought Miller and Love to Minnesota.

But Wittman wasn't here when McHale drafted Brandon Roy and traded him to Portland for Randy Foye and cash, claiming the Wolves preferred Foye all along, even as then-coach Dwane Casey, who was an assistant with the Sonics while Roy was tearing it up as a prep school star in Washington state, alternated between grimaces and looking like he wanted to throw up. And it is McHale, as much as Wittman, who is so fond of saying that people don't have set positions--that "they're *basketball players" instead of point guards or power forward or centers--and thus belittling the suspicions that Foye couldn't florish in the point guard role. It is McHale, as much as Wittman, who keeps claiming that with the hand check rules and the open court style of play, that most teams don't utilize classic centers anymore anyway, so having Jefferson and Gomes or Jefferson and Smith as your front line is neither unique nor a disadvantage.

I'm not excusing Wittman. The lack of improvement--both individually and as a team--of the folks on the roster, especially when you consider his miserable track record to date, is a legitimate cause for concern. He's also already begun last year's habit of fluctuating between lavish praise and not-so-veiled threats and complaints about his team's lack of effort (although any coach that wouldn't be furious about how the Wolves played on Friday is in the wrong profession).

The point is, an objective observer could say that McHale scapegoated Flip Saunders and scapegoated Casey. At the end of last season, even before the draft day trade that he clearly feels has benefitted the Wolves, McHale was claiming this team could win as many as 40 games this season. That put Wittman in a position of looking like he was dialing it back when he likened the squad to Portland of two years ago; in fact he was stepping forward with a claim that the Wolves would improve by some 8 or 9 wins this season, which would be no small accomplishment.

Whether a team is going well or poorly, the cause-and-effect between coaching and player performance has always been a chicken-or-egg situation. When Wittman goes on a tirade and compels a brutal practice in the middle of a back-to-back, do we credit him with the improvement in Jefferson's performance against Portland? Or do we wonder why a team that supposedly worked on almost nothing but defense and proclaims it wants a defensive identity is playing such woeful, shoddy defense just 5 games into the season? Do we notice that minutes are being apportioned in a manner that contradicts the notion that defense is the priority here?

Making up bastardized pejorative nicknames for a coach or GM or player and venting with far more heat than light about what they are doing wrong describes the behavior of a segment of most every team's fan base. As the moderator of the comments sections, I can tell you that criticism of any and all members of this 1-5 team is not only welcomed but warranted--provided it is backed up with examples and analysis that isn't already shopworn and predictable. For that matter, a smart defense or more nuanced analysis of the pros as well as the cons of the current franchise would probably be more stimulating and enlightening right now.

But that positive take just isn't in me right now. I can tell you that even when he is having a dreadful game, as against Portland, that Kevin Love is a precocious rook with a potentially bright future. I could have spent one of the points in this trey talking about how, despite his self-identified claims, Foye looks so much more relaxed coming off the bench splitting duties between both guard spots rather than wearing the role of "starting point guard." And I could have emphasized how the ballclub responded to their coach's tongue-lashing and extended practice with the best half of their season to date in the first two quarters versus Portland. Instead, I see 1-5 against below-average competition; uncertainty at the point; stubborn stupidity in the front court rotations; more McCants melodrama and bricks from Bassy and Brewer, and newcomer Mike Miller defending in slow motion.

If it comes to pass that Wittman too gets scapegoated, I humbly request that the coaching duties fall to McHale. Not only is he the second best coach (behind Saunders) in Timberwolves history, but he's the guy who has praised both Jefferson and Love to the high heavens, consistently lauded Smith for the mismatches the Rhino can generate, pooh-poohed position purists, and in general is on record as believing an inferior version of this squad could win 40 games this season. He's not only the architect of the blueprint, but the head of its public relations campaign.  And right now the blueprint is messed up.

63 Reader Comments

Peter Weinhold (not verified)11:56pm
Nov 9
Y'know, I heard a guy over at Grant Park in Chicago just the other day--last Tuesday, I think it was--talking about how change had come to America. Well, living in Minnesota's sixth district, watching the Wolves lose, and witnessing the legal wrangling over individual ballots in a razor thin, high profile election makes me think that change flew right over Minnesota. All this talk about trust and intensity after six games, from a team that won 22 last year. Given some of the evidence... The bad: 5th in the league in points allowed; the opposition scoring 104.33 points per game. 21st in rebounding, the opposition grabs nearly 4 more rebounds a game. The decent: 10th in the league in points per game. The good: 3rd in the league in assists, with 23.83 dishes per game. ...one might say this collection of youth is more interested in scoring than defending. Why not go with the flow? Thus, being the cynical, rabble rousing sort when it comes to this club, I think there's about three coaches who are well known for their offensive acumen. Two of them--Don Nelson and Mike D'Antoni--are currently employed elsewhere, but the third is probably in his den at this moment throwing darts at a Fathead poster of Rasheed Wallace. Yes, I'm talking about none other than Flip Saunders. Give Wittman another month, and if he can't improve the situation, instead of McHale subbing in, why not look under the bus, dust Flip off, patch things up, and let him at least try to make this bunch entertaining? I'm not sure it could get any worse, and it would bring fans into the arena, for awhile at least. Maybe then change will truly come to Minnesota.
stop-n-pop (not verified)09:06am
Nov 10
Bachmann, Witt, and Wolves, oh my!!! :) I'd like to piggy back on Peter's comments by saying that while this team has taken steps in the right direction, and that while it may have more of a plan than it did when it was KG + whomever they could scrap together, the gap between what the coach says and what the coach does; and the gap between what the front office says and the collection of personnel they put out on the court...well, it doesn't matter about chicken and eggs, as you have a culture of zero perspective at 600 First Avenue. During the 4th quarter against Portland the Blazers' announcers wondered aloud why in the hell it took 3 1/2 quarters for the Wolves to put Miller on Jefferson's side of the ball and watch as the Blazers helplessly watched a superior low post scorer pair up with a superior 3 point shooter. "It's smart basketball," one of them said; "it took long enough." Meanwhile, against Sacramento when the game was still somewhat close, Sacramento put in Hawes for Moore and they were left with a gigantic lineup that could score. Witt counters with his mini-rotation and we fans have to watch Gomes go up against a 7 footer and other assorted obvious atrocities. This team needs to make a choice: either it is going to try and win through superior offensive firepower + serviceable defense, or it is going to foresake small ball and re-tool their entire roster yet again. Even if you advocate for less small ball, you are still left with basketball's equivalent of the piranhas; guys who will never win with the big flashy play at either end of the court. The problem with the Wolves is that they don't even reach Twinkie status as their fishes don't seem to have the least bit of interest in playing team defense or doing the cliched little things. I get that this team is still rebuilding. I get that they still are setting things up for a free agent run + a nice haul in the 09 Draft. However, with Witt + McHale I just don't see how they can be expected to make the right decisions putting the right players on the court and telling them to do the right things once they get there. 3 out of the last 4 drafts have been on guards and wing players. Yet, this is where the Wolves are seeing their biggest problems. Their bench was supposed to be better this year but now that we've seen how a real 4 can play as a 20 year old rookie, Gomes and Smith seem like questionable signings. During the offseason we had a post over at Hoopus wondering where in the hell some of these guys were going to play. With Brewer, Foye, McCants, Miller, Gomes, and Carney at the 2/3, how on earth can a reasonable rotation be achieved? With 4 potential 1st rounders and a free agent + the team's recent signings, where in the hell are future players supposed to fit in? I agree that Foye is looking very nice off the bench. Brewer's natural position in the NBA is probably off the pine as well. As much as I like Bassy and think he's the team's best option at starting point, he's probably better suited as a reserve as well. Beyond that, I think it's safe to say that there are 3 starting NBA players on this team: Jefferson, Love, and Miller. I'm genuinely interested in hearing how y'all would build around this core. Do you hope and pray that a 1 and a 3 fall in your lap during the draft or free agency? Do you bring Love off the bench and do your best to get a defending 5? Do you blow it up all over again and hope for the best with a mass of draft picks? My guess is that if a non country club GM were brought in to take this thing over and if they were given a blank check by Taylor, we'd see the whole thing blown up. Ultimately, this is the problem: McHale. As long as he's making decisions, and as long as his replacement is an inside job (and that goes for the coach too), the culture of this team will not change. That's the most disappointing thing about the departure of Casey. He wasn't part of the club. I'd go a step beyond what Peter is suggesting as far as ex-coaches. Bring back Casey and find a new heir-apparent besides Hoiberg. Someone needs to come in here without having a sense of personal attachment to some of these blunders.
Andy G (not verified)09:22am
Nov 10
I'd ditch small-ball, and there's a really simple way to do it. Play three big men only. When Collins returns, they should play only Jefferson, Love and Collins at the 4-5. Rhino gets no clock, unless there's an injury or foul trouble. If you played Collins 26 minutes a night, Love and Jefferson each can still get 35, with some of Jefferson's at the 4, and all of Love's at the 4. Gomes and Brewer can battle out the 3 spot and McCants/Foye/Miller will have to battle out the 2/combo spot. If they shorten the rotation, but play the right guys, they should gain confidence and win games. They run out a 10-man rotation without nearly enough actual depth to do that.
APB (not verified)10:05am
Nov 10
I agree on the small ball. After six games, I'm ready to blow the whole thing up too. Foye at the point. uh-uh. Jefferson at the 5, with Gomes at the 4 - no. WIttman, much as I hate starting over again with a new coach and culture building up from the beginning, we are at the bottom now, so enough already. Mchale? How 'bout a Hoopus compromise? Taylor can blow up the whole country club by firing Mchale and hiring Flip to replace him and Flip can hire Casey to do the coaching. I like the Collins, Love, and Jefferson rotation at the four and five, but while waiting for Collins to get healthy, I'd go with a Maddog/Cardinal combo and keep Smith out of the rotation completely. We need some veterans who understand team concepts to set examples until Collins is ready. I'm not even sure Miller is an NBA starter at this point. I agree that an offense with Jefferson and Miller on the same side is potent, but how much do we have to give up on defense. Miller might also be best suited for a role off the bench. If we do trade him, I would venture to guess he'll go to a contending team and take a role off the bench providing a three point threat whenever one is needed. I would have a rotation that has Miller and Brewer sharing minutes at the three and McCants and Foye sharing minutes at the 2 while Telfair runs the show for most of the game and keep the rotation down to that. Gomes and Smith should have to earn minutes or wait for Miller to get traded. Andy G, I still don't know about Oden. I think Portland has to play a completely different style of game with him in the lineup and I'm not sure they would be a better team. I think there is a little Yao in him and last years Houston team demonstrated that Yao, while an obvious force when in the game, didn't make his team better than it was without him. Also, I doubt his versatility. If I were Portlan, I'd consider shopping him, rather than risk his history of injuries turning him into a complete bust. Call up a team desparate for a move. Timberwolves? Al for Oden?
stop-n-pop (not verified)10:20am
Nov 10
I'm a sucker for trade talk as much as anyone, but Al ain't going anywhere unless the country club is emptied. He'd likely get you a nice player and a pick, but they're not going to trade him anymore than Portland will part with Oden. I do think that the Wolves will make a trade this year (or before the draft) that will involve Miller. With teams like the Lakers, Cavs, Spurs, and even Portland out there, a 3 point specialist who can rebound and pass is a luxury they can afford. I'd love for Miller to stay here but I ultimately think the Wolves will get an offer they can't refuse...especially if it also involves moving Cardinal's deal. I think Shaddy + Miller + Cardinal to the Cavs for Wally + Snow + 1st rounder makes sense for both teams. That's $20 mil in cap space for the Wolves next year along with another mid-to-high 1st rounder. Anywho, Portland also has a glut of talent that could be moved for a player like Miller. It's in the division so that probably hurts a bit but between Outlaw, Rodriguez, Bayless, Batum, and their Finnish PG, they have some pieces that could be moved with little to no impact on their team. I just don't think they'll do it in-division.
APB (not verified)10:39am
Nov 10
I agree on Al going nowhere and Portland would not trade Oden in the division. I threw that out there, but I still think because of Portland's glut of talent, they should see what they could get for Oden. I like Miller and I think hes a good NBA player, but I'm beginning to think his defensive liabilities makes his potential offensive contributions less appealing on the current Wolves roster. The two man game between Jefferson and Miller could just as easily be played with either Foye or McCants and I think Foye and McCants are better defenders against shooting guards than Miller is. So, I think trading Miller would be a smart move.
Peter (not verified)11:20am
Nov 10
NBA teams need three good players, and role players who are not being overpaid. This team seems to have too many role players, and not enough at the top. Al can be your best player. But who would be the second or third-best player on a good team? Miller, Love, and Foye (more or less in that order), are third-best players, at best, on a good team. Until that "second-best" guy shows up, the best thing to do is to not overpay anybody, because they are all ultimately replaceable. Alot of these guys (extending the list to Gnomes and McCants) are very solid players. Maybe a trade for higher draft picks?
Patrick (not verified)11:50am
Nov 10
I'd like to see us trade McCants for Sean Williams. Williams has talent to be a Camby-like defensive player, and he would help clear our logjam at shooting guard. The move would also rid us of one of our worst attitudes, whose willingness to give up when things aren't going his way really showed in the Sacramento game. Although Williams has his own baggage, I've never heard of him having an attitude problem of being a problem on the court or in the locker room. Williams is on the trading block, and McHale should be angling for him right now. It would be a relatively minor move for us, but it would address a need and also fix some other personnel imbalances we currently have.
Patrick (not verified)12:05pm
Nov 10
A more daring trade strategy would be to try to acquire Gerald Wallace from the Bobcats. Wallace is a wonderful defender and a very good offensive player with the kind of athleticism our team lacks. I have not checked whether this with the trade machine, but I would trade Miller and McCants for Wallace. Or, if Charlotte would cooperate, I would throw in Carney and a low first round pick with Miller. I believe Miller would have to be part of any trade because his salary is almost as high as Wallace's. But Wallace would bring the kind of defensive acumen we sorely need, he would be another capable scorer, and he is reportedly on the trading block. Trading for him would also add another forward and allow us to unload one of our guards, giving us better balance. Thoughts?
Blakeley (not verified)01:39pm
Nov 10
Patrick, Gerald Wallace seems like the obvious target right now for the Wolves. If Brewer ever does develop as a player, his ceiling seems to be somewhere around Wallace's current output. So why not just trade for that right now! Putting Wallace in the line-up would not only give us a secondary scoring option, but it would also give us much more flexibility in our rotations. Right now it seems like it would be pretty tough offensively to justify having Madsen or Collins going at the same time as Brewer, and that just wouldn't be the case if we had Wallace. His contract is not much to write home about (4 more years at 9.5 million), but it's still probably market rate for someone with his skills. The issue would probably be that Charlotte right now is in dire need of a big, but we don't really have much to offer up in those regards. Gomes and Craig both can't be traded until December, and even after that they will be Base Year Compensation players (making a deal very tough). Our best bet would be to involve a third team that would want to take Miller... Golden State is dangling Harrington right now and Knicks are dangling/begging-someone-to-take Eddy Curry. Golden State needs a point guard, and the contracts don't really work so we can probably rule them out. But I think a three way trade involving the Knicks would not only be the way to go, but also the most likely scenario right now. For some reason, MJ (one of the few GM's potentially more inept then McHale) has been somewhat interested in acquiring Eddy Curry. The Knicks will take anybody with a quart of blood and 2 years or less on a contract, so I'd expect they'd be more then happy to take Miller. So all in all, we could potentially work a deal like this... Wolves receive: Gerald Wallace Knicks receive: Mike Miller Bobcats receive: Eddy Curry, and 2 first round picks from the wolves (Utah's and Boston's). Heck, i'd even throw in Miami's pick if it meant we could get Wallace. I'm less then enamored with the 09 draft class.
Patrick (not verified)01:54pm
Nov 10
Blakely, I agree with your intuitions about Wallace, Jordan, and the Knicks. Wallace is a great target for us, and that would be an interesting deal to pursue. You're right that Brewer's absolute ceiling is Wallace, and the chances are very good that Brewer won't ever be as good as Wallace offensively. Another thing going for a trade with Charlotte is that Jordan seems keen on acquiring as many former Tarheels as possible, so we could perhaps sweeten the deal by throwing in McCants to the Bobcats. One point where I disagree is that Wallace's contract is bad. He's getting paid at the market rate, his skills won't deteriorate anytime soon, and he doesn't have any attitude problems. So, I think it would be great to have a guy who is as good as he is locked in for four more years at 9.5 million. He's possibly as good as Shawn Marion, but he has flown under the radar in Charlotte and as a result the trade market for him isn't crazy.
Just a Fan (not verified)02:31pm
Nov 10
The problem is you would be committing ~$25M/year for the next 4 years for 2 players neither of whom is a true superstar. My guess is that, in the next 2 years, the cap limit is actually going to come down (see Stern's revenue warnings in pre season). You might only have another $25M for the rest of the roster. Just don't see it.
Prash (not verified)04:41am
Nov 11
Love is the one player on this team who tries hard as long as he's out there - I have never seen a big move without the ball as much as he does - always setting picks, cutting, and hitting the glass. If they can play Al and Love at the same time w.o getting abused down low you might as well do it. Craig smith is a career bench player - good for 15-20 mins a night of banging and hustle. Gomes is a wing player. Stop giving gomes and smith Love's minutes
Aaron (not verified)08:42am
Nov 11
How are his skills not likely to deteriorate anytime soon? The man is one more concussion away from retirement.
Just a Fan (not verified)01:59pm
Nov 10
Just don't see the TWolves trading for a 27 year old with 5 years and $60M left on his contract. At half the price (or full price at fewer years), I would agree completely. But that is a big price tag for filling just 1 of the 3-4 holes in the rotation. Not going to happen. Speaking of rotation, here is mine Al/Love/Mad Dog or Collins split 4/5 with Al/Love getting 80% and Mad Dog/Collins the left over. Brewer/Gomes share 3 at a 65/35 split Miller/McCants/Foye at 2 with a 40/30/30 split Telfair/Foye at 1 with a 70/30 split This is really a 7 player rotation with 2 players (Gomes and the Mad Dog / Collins) getting limited 8/9 time. Pairing would be mainly Miller/Brewer/Telfair in 1st unit with McCants/Foye/Gomes in the 2nd. This gives all 4 key guys (Al/Love/Brewer/Foye) 65%+ of the minutes with Foye's minutes split between 2nd team point and 1st sub wing. It balances some skill sets (Miller's lack of D and Brewer/Telfair limited O) and creates a 2nd group that is reasonably well rounded. Thoughts?
Blakeley (not verified)01:48pm
Nov 10
As for Sean Williams, I'm not quite sure if that helps us. He's a good shot blocker but he's really not that good at actually playing man to man defense. I also wouldn't be so quick to assume that Sean Williams isn't a problem in the locker room. He was supposedly AWFUL at Boston College, and the fact that a rebuilding team like the Nets can't get rid of him quickly enough is always a bad sign. I don't actually think we need another defensive center as much as we need to play the defensive bigs we currently have. What we really need is another scorer (see Gerald Wallace post below).
Patrick (not verified)05:00pm
Nov 10
You might be right about Williams. I don't know as much about his demeanor as I do about his shotblocking ability; all I know is that I've casually followed him since he's been in the NBA and haven't heard anything in the media about him being disruptive or cancerous. At the right price, I would still consider him as a potential complement to Big Al - we desperately need one.
stop-n-pop (not verified)12:10pm
Nov 10
Agreed. I think Love will be the team's all around best player (if he isn't already), but scoring-wise, he's clearly not the type of player you can rely on in the 4th. He's a third option and the Wolves need a guy on the perimeter who can be the go-to guy in the 4th. They thought it could be Foye but it's not. If you add that #2 type guy on this team, I think they're suddenly dangerous.
Patrick (not verified)12:35pm
Nov 10
SnP: See my post on Gerald Wallace below. He strikes me as ideal number two guy who would also bring defensive skills and much-needed athleticism. It sounds like the price isn't too high - there're rumors of a three way trade involving Eddy Curry and Al Harrington, and I'd like to see us involved with an offer of Miller and one of our stockpiled first round picks. Is this a plausible idea or would this be a lowball offer?
stop-n-pop (not verified)01:14pm
Nov 10
To be honest, I don't think the primary focus of any move that this team makes right now is who they get but rather who is moved and whether or not it comes before or after a change in coaching/front office. I think they're locked into Hoiberg so that part of the equation is probably moot. Coaching-wise, I don't think Witt survives the season and who knows which McHale buddy will get brought in to run this thing. As for Wallace, I guess it kind of depends on who is coaching and what type of system they're going to run. Between Brewer, Gomes, and Carney I would have to say that Wallace would easily be the best player in that rotation and it would allow them to run out a pretty solid rotation with more players at their natural position, but there's a certain aspect of flying-by-the-seat-of-their-pants to any deal they would make right now. They thought this thing was locked in with Foye at the 1 and Gomes at the 4. They thought the coach would last and the personnel would work. They got a guy in Miller that is from the region and reportedly wants to play here. Flipping him right away would be pretty much admitting the blueprint didn't work and they're starting over again. Of course, flying by the seat of their pants isn't anything new for this club. Last year McHale told everyone how excited he was to see Ratliff line up next to Big Al and Theo was bought out literally within a few days of the beginning of this well-thought-out plan. I guess my take on any deal is this: - Ideally Miller is held until after the season when he will have an expiring contract and he can be packaged with picks. - Any in-season move this year should ideally involve moving Cardinal's contract for a 1 year deal. - Ideally, any deal should also address the Foye/McCants question. Miller is a valuable asset. However, he's most valuable by either remaining on the squad or for his ability to move pieces that could otherwise not be moved. Shaddy can simply be let go after this year. Cardinal can be bought out and his deal really isn't that bad when you look at the 2009 free agent class (thin). I guess what I'm saying is that Miller is really all they have left as an a-list option to move along with their collection of junk (mid-to-high 1sts + role players). If you pull the trigger on Miller, it had better be the deal. I don't know enough about Wallace to say if he's this guy or not.
stop-n-pop (not verified)01:17pm
Nov 10
I guess html doesn't work in the comments. That last part should read "it had better be THE deal." Shaddy and mid-1sts are worthless by themselves. Miller is the only piece outside of Al and Love that can make things move.
Patrick (not verified)01:26pm
Nov 10
Your position makes a lot of sense. I'm operating on the same assumptions about the relative value of Miller vis McCants and our first round picks. The reason why I like, and would pull the trigger on, a Wallace deal is because I believe he is an all-star-in-waiting who is stuck in tiny market on a bad team. I've watched him play several times and each time he has struck me as the real deal. If he had more exposure, I think he'd be marketed in the same way that Rodney Stuckey and other young up-and-coming stars are (not that Stuckey is having a great year so far, but you know what I mean). I can't see us getting anything better for Miller than Wallace, and frankly I think we'd be lucky if we could turn Miller and our other sweeteners into Wallace. He'd be a great fit on our team and bring some real, bona fide talent that we're sorely lacking right now.
secretarykissinger (not verified)10:23pm
Nov 10
after peter w's comment on change not coming to minnesota, it's hard not to dig the way this thread is running: let's invite flip to replace wittman, and get wally in here via some kind of shaddy/miller deal. then swap out al for a center who runs like ervin johnson. and shave the rhino's pate and make him into gary trent? lifter puller will be performing at halftime. and would someone make sure to get a pair of season tickets to jesse ventura!?
Andy G (not verified)10:49am
Nov 10
I'm still optimistic about Oden, even though his injury count is really getting up there. It cuts both ways, though, because nobody has seen the guy healthy, since high school. If he ever does get healthy, he might be unbelievable. I'm sure that, like Yao and Shaq, he'll struggle to play more than 60 games for many of his seasons. He should try to go the Shaq route of coasting a bit until the playoffs. Diesel, in his prime, was a monster in post-season play and Oden could be much like him. He'll never be able to dunk as often as Shaq, but he has a better free throw stroke that could make him the game's best big man. I only mention him so much here, because Portland is the most likely roadblock to our future hopes at a title run. We aren't going to be relevant during the last few Kobe-runs, but Portland is built for the next 10 years. Like KG struggled to get by Shaq, I fear that Oden could provide a similar threat to Jefferson/Love. If Aldridge-Pryz are that tough on us, I'm afraid Aldridge-Oden will only be tougher.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)12:07pm
Nov 10
I don't know. I liked Bill Simmons' article about Oden. He has his moments, but he didn't look like the next Shaq in college. Shaq was taking rebounds and dribbling coast-to-coast for dunks in college. Shaq ran like a small forward when he entered the league. Oden runs like former Wolf Ervin Johnson.
stop-n-pop (not verified)10:09am
Nov 10
Completely agree on the shortening the rotation point. With Love starting, Gomes and Smith are an unworkable pair off the bench. Either put Gomes back in the starting lineup at the 3 or let him exclusively back up Brewer at the 3 with...well, none of it makes sense because this whole thing depended on Foye at the point and Gomes at the 4. It turns out both of those assumptions were a wee bit off. I completely agree with the 3 man rotation at the 4/5. Right now Madsen should be the 3rd player until Collins gets back.
Andy G (not verified)01:21pm
Nov 10
Good point on Mad Dog. He played ok last game and gives us some of the rebounding that we lack by playing Rhino or Gomes at the 4.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)12:32pm
Nov 10
I agree with other posters about going Jefferson/Love/more traditional C as the rotation up front. The perimeter is tougher. I don't know the answer there; they're similarly productive. Because this is still a developing team, maybe they could play all of them in the first half and then play the best 4 or 5 in the second half. However, that's a toughie. On another note, I think Hoiberg would still be able to do well as McHale's replacement. It just seems to me like the roster needs tweaking, not blowing up. Also, without having a coach and a system in place, the GM's just picking players. Those players still have to fit into a style of play. That's why the Spurs and Jazz have been successful; Popovich and Sloan are more important than whoever's in the front office. This means that they either need to find a coach whose philosophy caters to the strengths of the best players or let Wittman play the guys he wants to play and have the front office adjust accordingly.
stop-n-pop (not verified)12:47pm
Nov 10
Witt is a .333% coach. I'd hate to see what he could do personnel-wise. They need to bring in a professional GM and let him pick his coach. No McHale, no Hoiberg, no anybody-already-there. Surely there is some young exec out there who deserves a shot and who has mentored under a winning program. However, with Papa Glen running things, this will never happen and we'll next be stuck with Mayor Hoiberg at the helm of the same ship.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)02:12pm
Nov 10
I disagree on Hoiberg. The way he played the game makes me think that he will have better personnel instincts than McHale. Since they've been more than a one-person decision-making team, the results have been better, and Hoiberg has something to do with that. Second, the coach is as important as the front office. McHale's mistakes during the early KG era are much more egregious than the ones going on now. A disappointing draft pick is still better than no pick at all. So what's the difference? Flip Saunders had a system that produced wins. Sure, he didn't develop young talent, but he got the most out of every team. I'm not saying bring him back, but they need to have a coach lined up who can develop young talent and coach them well or at least devise a scheme that plays to the players' strengths. I don't think that either coach or front office are necessarily more important than the other. Good teams win because the players mix together on and off the court; that's the job of both the coach and the front office.
Andy G (not verified)07:30am
Nov 10
Great post, Britt. There's no sense in searching for positives when we're 1-5 against crappy opposition. But, I'll try to find a couple: 1) Telfair has played consistently good basketball. His shot doesn't look any different, but he's shown a Derrick Rose-like ability to gather his shooting touch off the dribble, even if it's not there off the catch. He's not a pure shooter, but with his superb quickness he can almost always clear himself with a dribble or two. My only problem with him is that he didn't play enough minutes vs Portland. It gets to the congestion at the 2-guard spot when Foye gets moved over. Miller-McCants-Foye can't all play 2-guard--especially if we're going to play Gomes and Brewer at the 3. I hope Miller gets traded soon, so we can see a lot more of the Telfair-Foye backcourt. If it were a trade that brought in an athletic big (Sean Williams' name has been tossed around and he is one guy that would provide the length/athleticism that we lack up front) we could compensate for a smaller backcourt with a bigger front court. 2) Love has a knack for drawing fouls. When the whistle doesn't blow, his game looks pretty ugly, because he can't get up high enough to avoid blocks in the paint. But, he's so talented at positioning and timing that he's drawing good contact on a high percentage of his attempts. He is also learning how to play offense next to Jefferson, as you can see him fighting for position well-before Al lets his shots go. I wasn't discouraged by his 0-7 vs Portland--I thought he played better than the box score showed. 3) If it's Wittman vs McHale, and you go on the assumption that McHale is entirely responsible for personnel and Wittman entirely responsible for strategy/rotations, I think Wittman is doing the better job. Until Collins gets healthy, there is no center on this club. That's on McHale, whose proclamation that the league is getting smaller was properly discredited by Lamarcus Aldrige's 13 total and 7 offensive rebounds. Portland was much taller than us and we struggled to pull down anything that bounced softly off the rim. Late in that game, we had to scrap and tip everything and hope it bounced the right way. Sadly, Portland is only getting bigger with Oden's return and I've already listed in other posts the great number of teams with big front lines. Getting back to what Wittman has done well--he's quickly given Foye the hook as the starting PG. I give him a lot of credit for this, since many fans suspected that PR reasons would keep Foye in that slot, while basketball reasons suggested he should lose it. I just wish he'd shorten his bench a little bit. Foye needs more minutes at the 2. If you watch him on every possession, he's got more potential than Miller as a defender. He just needs experience. Miller gets toasted because of foot speed. Foye loses focus--something he shares in common with McCants. When Roy had the rock at the end of Saturday's game, Foye played pretty decent defense. The foul call with a minute to go looked like a bad one and Foye could've had a huge stop.
plinytheelder (not verified)02:35pm
Nov 10
I think Andy G makes some interesting points here. I'd like to respond to a couple of them. First, I disagree slightly about Telfair. I hate to do so because I really like his game. But I think the last couple of games, especially the Portland game, showed some of his limitations. First, whenever he's on the court, his guy cheats down, and things become much more difficult for our bigs. At one point he was on the same side of the floor as Jefferson...and Jefferson, when he got the ball, simply threw it back out because he knew it would be 1-on-2. (By the way, I'd say Jefferson's passing is much improved, there's a positive! Seriously - I have been very impressed with some of his inside-out passes, bounce passes, and handoffs. Very sly.) Second, when Telfair penetrates, he is simply not going to make those layups against a good team. For whatever reason, he doesn't have the Parker/Calderón knack for getting to the rim. Against Portland, his layup attempts were either out of control or blocked. As for his minutes, I just don't think Wittman could afford to play him - who is he going to guard if Roy is playing the point? - and Wittman could afford to keep Foye in, since he was having a good game. Anyways maybe Telfair just had a bad game - what was with that pass into the third row, I think it was at the end of the 3rd or beginning of the 4th? Don't get me wrong, I like him, and he's our best PG right now...I just think that he's hitting his ceiling. I also like your point about Miller. I think Wittman should bring him off the bench. Maybe then the Wolves could develop a scrappy defensive identity. Bring Miller in as an instant offence type guy, against the other team's 2nd unit. -- Agreed also on the phantom foul call against Foye at the end of the game, that was a shame, I don't see how you can play that drive any better than that. On a completely unrelated note: Wes Unseld's name has been brought up many times, by McHale and others, as an example of a guy who was short but very physical and hence effective in the low post. I love Unseld so I love the references. But I wonder if a different Bullets reference isn't equally apt: I'm thinking of the 80s Bullets, and the Jeff Ruland/Rick Mahorn frontcourt. Like Jefferson and Love, they were not too tall but extremely wide, and could cover up for their lack of height to some extent with their "physicality." Don't get me wrong - I think the Love/Jefferson pair is superior to Ruland/Mahorn skills-wise (though Ruland could really fill it up). The point I'm making is this: that Bullets team never quite got beyond mediocrity, and the lack of height had a lot to do with it. The elite centers would just shoot over them, and opposing guards/forwards didn't have to worry about getting their shots blocked when they drove (they often got pounded to the ground, but that's only effective for so long). As for the Wolves, at this point mediocrity would be an improvement...but I'm starting to wonder if they'll ever get beyond that by building around Love and Jefferson.
SettlingForJumpers (not verified)10:02am
Nov 11
Re Bassy: He seems to be making layups that he missed last year. He's also making much better decisions in transition. He's never going to be a superb finisher or shooter, but he seems to have improved since the beginning of last season and it's carried over through the preseason and his first two games (maybe Portland was just a bad night). What if they just gave him more of a green light to shoot jumpers when he has a good look? I think a big part of becoming a good shooter is being encouraged to shoot and not being benched for missing a few or having a bad stretch. He's got the form, but basketball is a game of rhythm. And if he can push his percentage to 43% or 44%, it will be harder for team to leave him alone. As long as he's the de-facto starter, I think it's to the team's benefit to give him a green light and show that kind of confidence that he can hit at an adequate clip. It's the only way he'll get there. I'd like to see them tell Bassy that he can shoot one open jumper for every two and a half minutes he's on the floor.
Andy G (not verified)10:19am
Nov 11
He's playing with more confidence. Vs Portland, he had 7 & 4 in 26 minutes--not great, but hardly a reason to cut his minutes. He won't finish like Parker in the paint, but he'll keep improving at bouncing off bodies and getting to the foul line. He seems to be in great shape, too. I wish he'd get 35-40 minutes a night and have Foye play almost exclusively off the ball.
Britt Robson11:13am
Nov 11
In the late-going against Portland, Bassy was very Foye-like, throwing up two shots that had little chance of going in when he should have been distributing the ball. I certainly don't want him getting any more of a "green light" than he already thinks he has; the less often Telfair and Brewer shoot the ball, the better the Wolves offense will function. And if they find themselves in a position where they are clanking wide open jumpers (continuing what has been a career-long pattern for both) then I'm sorry, but a quick hook is warranted.
Andy G (not verified)11:35am
Nov 11
But the hook, if there was one, came well-before those two shots. He sat the last two minutes of the 1st Quarter and stayed on the bench until 0:39 left in the 2nd. Nice way for an energy player to lose his rhythm. If Wittman wants to micro-manage to the point of penalizing a guy for taking 2 too many shots (and only 8, total) over 26 minutes, it'll be a long season. As it was, though, I think he just liked what Foye & McCants had going in that quarter. However, you've gotta commit to the right guys and Telfair has been showing that he is one of them---a lot more than Foye or McCants have.
SettlingForJumpers (not verified)05:03pm
Nov 11
I too don't understand why Bassy sat so much in the second quarter after playing well. There was one play where Roy posted him up, but Bassy--who was guarding Blake most of the time anyway--was giving five inches to Roy and Foye didn't exactly lock him down either. The argument for Foye at the point is that he brings size. But if that doesn't translate to better perimeter defense or finishing in the paint, there really is no reason to play Foye at the point other than to give Bassy some rest. He's not a facilitator, a floor general or a defensive pest. At some point, Wittman is going to have everybody playing scared. He needs to figure out his rotation for the night and stick to it as much as possible. Mistakes should be corrected in practice--if a player isn't buying in then bench him the next game. But it seems counterproductive to yank guys on the spot who are competing hard and intelligently. By the way, AndyG, if I recall you were very critical of Bassy last season. What has brought about the change?
plinytheelder (not verified)05:54pm
Nov 11
I agree on the rhythm question, I personally would like to see a 3-man rotation at the 1 and the 2, with Telfair and McCants starting and Foye coming in for either. Foye in this scenario would split time between the 1 and the 2, much like he's doing now. In fairness to Wittman, who has played Telfair pretty regularly since he's been back, I think he sat him because he wasn't having a great game, and Foye was playing well enough at the 1 that he didn't absolutely need Telfair. Maybe it was the effect of being back in Portland (I assume this is part of what was giving Love problems), maybe it was Portland's "length," as everyone wants to say these days (what was wrong with saying "height"?). Anyways, at this point I like the idea of Telfair playing about 2/3 of the minutes at the 1, with Foye playing about 1/3. I disagree slightly with settlingforjumpers's take: I think Foye has been a fine facilitator that past couple of games. Playing limited minutes at the point against the other team's 2nd unit seems to have calmed him down somewhat. He's made some very nice passes and good decisions the last couple of games, and now that his shot seems to be coming around, it's nice to see him on the floor.
SettlingforJumpers (not verified)06:53am
Nov 12
It happened again last night. Bassy was running the team well well and had them way out in front from the get-go. Then he was benched for a prolonged period and things went to pieces. Oh, he bricked his shots, but they were not ill-advised shots at all, they just missed. That'll happen. After bricking two more he was then benched for good four minutes into the second half. The team really could have used his leadership, tempo and smarts down the stretch. Again, if Wittman is going to roll with him at the point, he needs to show some stones and let Bassy play through a dry-spell. Foye, who played well in the third and horribly in the 4th, scored 14 points on 19 shots. The team couldn't buy a bucket from the midway point in the 4th quarter when Bassy should have been in there. It was BS. I'm not one for calling out a coach, but I think it may be Wittman's time.
Andy G (not verified)06:06pm
Nov 11
Well, I did like the way he played point guard last year, but it was hard not to get frustrated with how poorly he shot. Plus, he didn't always attack enough and push the tempo. There was a lot made in the off-season about how hard he (and Brewer) worked on his jumper and finishing ability. So far, I'm seeing more results from Bassy. Not only, or necessarily, in percentages, but he's showing new tendencies that give more hope that he'll amount to a good offensive player. Some guards are better shooters off the dribble. Bassy looks like he might be one of them, and he might be discovering this, right now. D-Wade, Derrick Rose, Sam Cassell, and many others are deadly shooters off the dribble, whether it means using the glass, hanging in the air, or just fading a touch to the left. I'm not sure exactly what Bassy's style will be, but I'm getting more hope that he's learning how to gather his feel with movement and dribbles before he shoots. Mike Bibby and Tony Parker are a couple more that often seem more comfortable letting it fly off the dribble and not so much off the catch. It'll take more than a few games for him to improve on this, and for fans to realize if it's actually happening or not. For what it's worth, I also like the way he's approaching the game. He always looks focused and fired up and comes out of the gates with a lot of energy, on both ends. In his role, this energy is almost always productive--unlike Brewer, who could afford to slow down in half-court offense.
SettlingForJumpers (not verified)04:46pm
Nov 11
I see your point that clanking jumpers doesn't help a team win. But my point is that there is some long-term value in allowing Bassy to increase his shooting volume a bit (12 shots in 30 minutes). It's about building confidence and being more relaxed. If you are worried about missing, you're going to miss.
Minneapleseed (not verified)08:48am
Nov 10
It's hard to even pick where to start with this bunch. Is it the lack of defensive effort, poor help rotations and lack of understanding of what team defense is? Or should we start at the top and question Wittman's coaching style, lineup decisions and lack of leadership abilities? Or does Big Al bear the brunt of the blame for not being even half of what KG is? Last year, I questioned Al's commitment to team, his understanding of his role, his maturity level and his leadership abilities. This year, I question the same things, but even more so. Part of being a leader is showing your teammates that you work harder, play harder and will pick your boys up (literally and figuratively) when they need it. Do any of these qualities show in Al's game or demeanor? He, so far, is only concerned about getting his 20 and 10 and damn the results of the game. As far as picking his team up, when a Wolves player is knocked to the floor, does Jefferson help him up? Not a chance. When a Wolves player hits a free throw, the other players give him some "dap", not Al. He just stands there. These little things are what build trust and team unity. Watch Steve Nash, arguably the best teammate in the NBA. Each TO he is sure to make physical contact with each member of the Suns to let them know he appreciates what they are doing and letting them know that they are all in this together. Can you ever see Al doing this? Ok, enough on Al, on to Witt. I think the end of the SA game shows how inept Wittman is at understanding the situation and what players will best respond to the situations the team finds itself in. Why sub out Love (our best Windex man) for undersized Gomes when 1 rebound wins the game? Why bring McCants (who hadn't played in almost 25 real minutes, 15 game minutes) in for the final shot (a 3 on top of that)? OK, game plan on Tony Parker was to go under screens and contest the jumper. WHAT?!?! How can a jumper be contested when the defender goes UNDER THE SCREEN??? To contest the jumper, you have to go over or through the screen to stay in front of the man. You go under the screen to stop the big from rolling to the basket, leaving the jumper open, as we saw time and again with Parker stopping and popping as the defender disappeared under the screen or stepping back and knocking it down if the defender actually got around the pick first . Looking past this HUGE oversight, why no adjustment as the game went on? Why not trap Parker, keep the ball out of his hands and make Desmond Mason beat you? Or foul the little sucker hard when he comes in the paint. Knock him down, maybe he won't be as quick when he gets back up. To wrap it up, the Wolves have serious issues in team chemistry to work on and that starts with the "best" player, (Al "What Does Pass out of the Post Mean" Jefferson) and coach, Randy at-Witts-end-Man. Maybe the end of the SA game is an omen. I am a season ticket holder (save your laughter), but stayed home to watch the SA game. Watching McHale in the stands was, well, interesting. He had this huge grin when we took the lead, started yelling and pointing before Parker knocked down the game tying shot, had this look of disbelief when Wittman brought in McCants to take the last shot and dropped his head in disgust after we lost. How much longer before he comes out of the stands to coach? And would it help or hurt... can't get much worse.
Levi (not verified)09:38am
Nov 10
What is left to say? It has long been a question as to whether Kevin McHale had what it took to be a successful, and by that I mean a winning, General Manager. What the numbers show us from 1994 through the 2007 season is: Wins: 544 Losses: 572 Win Percentage: 48.7% Even if we charitably exclude McHale's first two seasons using the logic that it takes some time to truly effect change, we find the Wolves only manage a tepid 52% -- and I guess I should point out that all but one of those teams (2007) included Kevin Garnett. My conclusion, if based solely on Win Percentage, would be that Kevin McHale is NOT a successful NBA GM. Another measure of GM success that we really cannot judge, is the amount of profit (or loss) a manager brings to the organization. What is recognized though, is that McHale negotiated (?) a long list of player contracts widely hailed as, well, bloated. Then there's draft picks like William Avery and Ndudi Ebi. Even without considering the Joe Smith fiasco, it would be dificult to imagine that McHale spent Mr. Taylor's money wisely. How could that be? In 1994, as one of his first moves, new team owner Glen Taylor basically gave McHale the job. Apart from recently concluded Hall Of Fame-worthy playing career, McHale had no previous experience, unless you count a season of being the team's television analyst. But then, really, Glen Taylor did not have NBA management experience himself. Now, Taylor has worked himself up from employee of a wedding invitation print shop to being worth nearly $3 Billion, which would seem to be prima facie evidence that Mr. Taylor has a rare amount of business acumen. But when it comes to Kevin McHale, I think that Glen Taylor has made, and continues to make, a huge mistake. Each empty seat in the Target Center should be a compelling coffin nail. But maybe not. One of the more vivid memories I have of the NBA is being in San Francisco on business, and deciding to spend the evening catching a Golden State game. Dang, what a dead empty arena that was. Until recently, the Warriors didn't have a team worth watching. What lesson does Golden State have for us Timberwolves watchers? That perhaps a winning team isn't all that important on the business side of the NBA -- Golden State's, from 1996-2007 is a miserable 37.8% -- and that there are some franchises that can (and will) hang around the league making decent return on investment for their owners. Winning, and filled arenas, not required.
Just a Fan (not verified)10:09am
Nov 10
Britt, I really believe this issue is far more WIttman than McHale. I think that McHale has done a reasonable good job transforming the roster from a win it now with an aging superstar to a building it up with young potential. That was not easy in that McHale made some pretty poor choices (Davis, Blount, Jaric) in trying to recreate the magic one last time with Garnett. The only recent mistake, which I criticize McHale mightily on, was the absolute give a way of Chalmers who was a very low risk high reward player. There are arguably less than a dozen superstars in the league that can carry a team by themselves. (And remember, it took Cassell/Peirce to get Garnett there) We obviously don't have one of those. But if you look at the next group, we do have one in Al. It is a starting point - something that a number of NBA teams are still looking for. Now we need 8 players to go with him. I feel we have some potential strong young players. I still believe Brewer can become our Tayshun Prince as Brewer's stats mimic the younger Prince and Brewer's work effort, based on all accounts, seems equally as strong. I believe that Love can become a Wes Unseld type post player making up for his lack of size by strength, intelligence and tenacity. You saw glimpse of it against Duncan and I believe there is a lot more potential there. I believe that Foye can be an effective guard in the league. I am still not ready to give up the Foye as point guard option. I think he could continue to grow in the Sam Cassell/Chancey Billups style of point guard - and remember both Cassell and Billups were rather late bloomers into point guards. Yet, I see no one else on the roster that would be part of the magic 8. While some all have at least 1 exceptional skill (or in the case of Gomes, a ton of above average skills), there is no one there that I see being better than an 8th man on a championship squad. With 4 future #1's coming up quickly, the goal this year needs to be getting these 4 key guys as much experience as possible to realize their potential while figuring out what is missing to maximize the draft choices (either by using them or trading them) Which is where Wittman fails. As I have stated many times, Wittman's track record is one of failure to define and stick with player rotations. You can't build up consistency with your young players if they are not handled in a consistent manner. Flip needed to go because Garnett stopped listening and we were designed for one last push that was not going to happen with an unhappy superstar. Casey was scape goated big time. Does anyone here not believe we would be better off with either one of these former coaches? Do you think Flip would not be able to establish an offensive identity that would maximize Al/Foye with supplements from Brewer/Love? Do you think that Casey would not be able to establish a defensive identity featuring Brewer/Love? Just my thoughts.
Anonymous (not verified)10:28am
Nov 10
I know that the game at Portland was an improvment over the night before, but I also could not shake the feeling the Portland approached the game with a sort of a nonchalance attitude "home game, timberwolves, put it in the win column." They did just enough to hang around and win it in the end. I don't understand how any of the Wolves "proved" anything or demonstrated the intensity needed to feel comfortable about the prospects for the remainder of the season. Wittman in the Strib: "If we play with this kind of intensity and effort, then we're going to be all right," Wolves coach Randy Wittman said. "We've got to be able to see that. It's as simple as that." and, "They've proven they can do it," Wittman said about playing defense. "Now we have to do it on a nightly basis." proven? One thing I agree with Wittman on is that a player and the team has to do it on a nightly basis. You don't "prove" or demonstrate anything on one night, especially when that night produces a loss.
APB (not verified)10:29am
Nov 10
That was me.
jgale (not verified)10:41am
Nov 10
It seems like there is an obvious roster move that needs to be made. Miller, McCants or Foye for an adequate defensive center. Any chance that the Kevin McHale is calling other teams right now to make this move? When is Jason Collins scheduled to be active?
Patrick (not verified)11:54am
Nov 10
I agree. There simply aren't minutes for Foye, Miller, and McCants at shooting guard as long as we're going to play Bassy at the point and Brewer at SF. One of our off guards has to go, and I think it should be Miller or McCants, depending on what kind of deal comes along. As I posted below, I favor a deal for Sean Williams, but it would also be nice if we could move Miller for a late lotto or mid-first round pick. But I'm not sure whether he could fetch a lottery pick at this point.
Dave is Money (not verified)11:46am
Nov 10
Even the crabby old Peter Vescey took notice of Coach Wittman: http://www.nypost.com/seven/11092008/sports/moresports/career_high_is_no_problem_137825.htm
Anonymous (not verified)12:06pm
Nov 10
Until there’s a new leader at the top, I don’t think this organization has much of a chance of succeeding or even effectively moving on from the blunders that have driven so many fans away the past few years. The Knicks were in a similar situation and finally realized it and cleaned house. Front office failures effect the players, who know McHale’s putrid reputation as an executive and Wittman’s miserable record as a head coach in this league. Are young players really going to fully buy into what Witt-Mchale are selling when they know full well both have been wrong far more than they’ve been right? What free agent would consider this organization an attractive destination (save for a bloated contract)? The current roster is filled with guys who are undersized and/or playing out of position. Top to bottom it lacks athleticism relative to pretty much every other ballclub in the league. Wittman will eventually be scape-goated like the guy whose job he took, but who would want to take over this dysfunctional club knowing McHale has a lifetime contract that’s unaffected by performance? There’s nothing to suggest McHale is man enough to take the heat that comes with coaching the group he’s put together and claimed from the comfort of the stands can improve it's win total by 20 games this season.
Jim (not verified)12:07pm
Nov 10
Above comment from Jim
Patrick Minton (not verified)01:41pm
Nov 10
There's no question in my mind that the fault lies with Wittmann. And, for the record, I agree that McHale has a lot of misconceptions about his team. 1) The rotations. I have no clue why Wittmann feels it necessary to give 5 token minutes in any random game to Kevin Ollie, Rodney Carney, or Mark Madsen. I mean, is he trying to be popular with his players? If you are one of the worst teams in the league, chances are there are some duds on your roster. The end of the bench should be where benchwarmers are kept, not where you keep 3-4 guys who will play 15 collective minutes a game. There is just no reason at all to have a 10-man rotation on a team this bad. 2) Witt doesn't appear to have the foggiest idea which players on his roster are good basketball players. Seriously, game 4 was the first game he gave Love > 20 minutes. How dense can you be? And in game 5, he gives Love a quick hook and keeps his minutes low just because he struggled a bit on shooting (mitigated by getting to the line a lot and rebounding hard). What the? Why bench the one guy giving you the kind of energy you spent most of the postgame disparaging the lack of the night before? And Corey Brewer is simply not good. Sure, the kid has potential, but how the hell did he earn a starting job? He is not even close to the level of an average NBA forward, but he's somehow become the de facto starter and gets the benefit of the doubt constantly. 3) Small ball. Where do I start? I agree that small ball works. Small ball is great. If you have Shawn Marion as your center and Paul Milsap as your PF. This is related to #2, but the reason small ball doesn't work for the Wolves is that most of the personnel you will have on the floor when you are playing small ball stinks. Ryan Gomes has always had, at best, average stats as a small forward. I have no freaking clue what inspired Witt to think he'd make an effective power forward. Furthermore, someone needs to remind Craig Smith that what got him on the roster and in the league despite his size was his ability to REBOUND, because right now he's rebounding at a clip that most point guards eclipse, and I have a strong suspicion that this is entirely because he couldn't care less about the boards and is just looking to score. That "somebody" should probably be, oh, I dunno, THE COACH. 5) Randy Foye. Foye has been absolutely terrible. Shooting 33% from the field and STILL constantly looking for his own shot. If he was shooting this terrible because his wide-open looks were just rimming out, fine, you're going through a rough stretch (see Miller in the first 3 games). But when you are constantly driving right at opposing centers (news flash: the WHOLE LEAGUE knows you can't go left) and throwing up wild runners off the backboard, constantly throwing up heat-check 3s (newsflash #2: hitting one shot doesn't mean it's time for a heat check) and in general trying to get yours, then 33% isn't just bad, it's reason for benching. Foye's shot selection is at least partially Witt's fault. He now has 3 point guards. He should spare us all the vieled threats and actually exercise his authority as coach and bench *one* of them. 6) McCants. Everything he does well is mitigated by his HORRENDOUS shot selection and his glaring turnovers. Seriously, how many times are you going to try that ridiculous spin move at the elbow where you bring the ball up on your left side before you finally get that every guard in the entire league is fast enough to swipe that? You could make a great frat house drinking game on that. "Ooops, there it is again! Everybody chug!" Why does this guy keep getting minutes? And is the coach not telling him that this move is very unproductive? Or does he just not believe that the coach is telling the truth? Which of those two is more damning for Wittman, because either one sounds pretty bad? McCants has a sweet stroke when he catches and shoots, and can drive effectively to the rim. Too bad he does neither very often when he is on the court. I think the wolves would be 3-2 right now if McCants and Foye were for the most part benched, Gomes played small forward 99.9% of the time (where's he's average), if the wolves NEVER, EVER had any 5 on the floor without Love or Jefferson (i.e. they always have at least one "big"), and Love played more minutes in general.
SettlingForJumpers (not verified)09:50am
Nov 11
Agree 100% on McCants. That fallaway has been bothering me since the beginning of last season. Bassy tried the same thing against Portland and it was horrible to see. The next T-Wolf to brick a contested fallaway should have to spend a night with Michele Bachman as a punishment.
Mpls Blue (not verified)06:27pm
Nov 10
Here's a little historical perspective on our current coach: There are only 6 coaches in the history of the NBA with a worse record than Randy Wittman who have coached at least 3 years (min. 246 games) in the league: 1. Sidney Lowe...307 games coached, .257 winning percentage 2. Tim Floyd...321/ .280 3. Ron Rothstein...328/ .296 4. Eddie Donovan...278/ .302 5. Bill Musselman...258/ .302 6. Red Kerr...283/ .329 7. Randy Wittman...294/ .330 Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/NBA_stats.html
Mpls Blue (not verified)06:34pm
Nov 10
But Wittman's record isn't meant to excuse McHale, rather, to indict him for putting Wittman in that position. The wins per 82 games of the last three Minnesota coaches (not including McHale's half year stint) pretty much sum up the direction of the franchise: Flip Saunders...49 wins/82 games Dwane Casey...36 Randy Wittman...27
midlife crisis (not verified)08:18am
Nov 11
If we're indicting Mchale, I wonder if the recent moves have come from the pool of input that now exists rather than the one man decisions that came before. Then, nearly all the moves made by McHale alone, bookended by two disasterous draft day swaps (the first seemed good at the time) have been a disaster. But this years poor performance on the court I have to place on the current players and Whitman. This incarnation has more talent than last years, but the results are strikingly similar. Sometimes it can be enjoyable, but those moments feel similar to "KG + the kids" during Whitman's first year. Everything will be humming along and then some bizarre overreaction will result in a lineup that has zero chance of succeeding, like the Smith Gomes front court. Can anyone come up with a way that could possibly have worked?
Wolf in MO (not verified)06:37pm
Nov 11
I could see that backcourt working in HS. . . Seriously. . . Anyway, I know we have some very good GM's in waiting here ( coaches maybe??). My question is, using this roster, who would start and why. I know we are "short" but there has to be a way to make this work to come up with 30-35 wins, isn't there?
Jason (not verified)07:38pm
Nov 10
I think that the problem is no Collins or Booth. Though neither is a godsend, they are the only true centers on the squad, so losing both hurts. So maybe when they get healthy, they can play center, along with Madsen. Have AJ/Love at the 4, Foye/Bass/Ollie at point, and everyone else is a wing. What the 'Wolves need right now is to get those 2 healthy, then play some different combos, figure out the plus/minus, win at least 10 games, trade as many non-essential parts for picks as possible (Mccants and Cardinal, hopefully, but I am realistic about that), maybe get a new coach, gear up for the draft with maybe 4 1st round picks. I was one of many people who thought this would be a 35 or 40 win team, but I was wrong. But hey, there's always the Wild. Three of the Seven worst coaching records in recent memory belong to coaches who spent the majority of their careers with the 'Wolves. Ouch.
levi (not verified)10:18pm
Nov 10
Somehow, I keep getting the impression that McHale doesn't believe that true centers are necessary. I believe that this was the central issue between him and Kevin Garnett.
i am ahab (not verified)08:41am
Nov 11
Man, that has got to be the most hilarious pick to grace a 3 pointer ever. Kudos, Britt. So it looks like Denver will waive McDyess. Does this mean he automatically will go back with Detroit, or do we have any chance at him? And I just had to share this, what must be the strangest Obama dream ever. Britt please don't berate me publicly for posting it, just delete it if you think it detracts too much from speculation about our sinking T'Wolf ship: i was sitting around shooting the shit with barack and michelle, we're on first name basis. anyway we're in some big ass hotel suite and i'm sitting a little while later in a row of chairs, like a press section, about to eat some spinach.i have two handfuls when i realize it's now dark. michelle then comes out of the bathroom and goes toward the bed and i see her naked silhouette. i'm horrified and am like, "oh fuck! they don't know i'm still here! why didn't the secret service clear me out?" michelle bugs out and drags me out of the room but i don't have my wallet or anything so i can't get into my hotel room. the next morning after being up all night rahm emmanuel directs me toward some free showers and available rooms. huh.
Britt Robson11:24am
Nov 11
Just want to give thanks to all the commenters for honoring my request to eschew the unproductive name-calling and offer up their fresh, original and honest takes on the current state of the Wolves, including any positives they see. It began with ace regulars like Peter Weinhold and Andy G, and extended through the past couple of days to include some cherished posters like Stop n Pop (who could just as easily have hoarded his insights for his own superb site, Canis Hoopus (canishoopus.com)) and RhinoLove, Patrick, Levi, APB and all the others who I've now insulted by leaving them out, plus some new folks who quickly gleaned that vitriol and exclamation-point insults are not as welcome as informed commentary. All in all, I've had to doink just two comments among the dozens that have been sent. It's put me in such a good mood that I'm even leaving the Obama dream weirdness below because ahab at least prefaced it with a relevant McDyess question. But fair warning ahab--on a less charitable day, that post would be sleeping with the fishes in the recycling bin. Thanks to all. There'll be a new trey on the Golden State game when you wake up tomorrow.
Will Lose for Development Time (not verified)04:16pm
Nov 11
Too early to be concerned. Memphis looks like a 40 win team right now. How long is that going to last? (Without looking at their schedule, I'd say no longer than November.) Besides, more losing is good. This isn't a playoff team anyway. The more the executive branch realizes it and stops trying to tweak together some magic rotation and simply plays the top picks, the better. Otherwise, we'll be complaining once again about not knowing for sure who to keep and who to dump at year end instead of learning who can really play, which is the only thing this season has to offer.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)05:50pm
Nov 11
Hear, hear. As long as players are being put into positions in which they can succeed, development is still a good idea. Teams can win and still develop talent, but the talent has to be developed according to a plan. That means playing guys in their natural position(s) as much as possible and allowing players some leeway for mistakes. I just wish we didn't have so many guys with similar talent/ability, because it makes divvying up minutes more difficult.

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