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Game #4, Home Game #2: Minnesota 125, San Antonio 129

Season record: 1-3

1. The Offense Finally Arrives

After back-to-back 85-point games in which their talent was squandered by strategic disarray,  the Wolves' offense performed with potent logic and efficiency in Wednesday night's highly enjoyable double-overtime loss to the Spurs. Minnesota scored a mere 5 points in the game's first 6:25, then shared the ball and gathered individual virtues into team synergy to put up 120 more in the remaining 51:35. The early catalyst was Mike Miller, looking for his outside shot more aggressively than at any point in the young season thus far, banging in 12 of the team's first 14 points on a succession of jumpers no nearer than 16 feet away from the hoop. This was a crucial first step in the process of generating spacing, which should be the offensive mantra of every Minnesota partisan this hoops season. With Miller establishing himself as an outside threat, Al Jefferson had more room to operate in the paint.

Then things fell in line: Point guards Randy Foye and Bassy Telfair emphasized ball movement to further capitalize on the defensive scramble the spacing generated; Kevin Love used his outside shooting touch and ability to crash the weakside boards to generate mismatches among San Antonio's big men and swing me; and Corey Brewer capitalized on opponents ignoring him to cut baseline for layup attempts and flash to the corner for open jumpers. When the dust cleared, the Wolves had assisted on 35 of their 47 baskets, versus just 10 turnovers in 58 minutes. Foye (9/2) and Telfair (10/1) combined on 19 assists and just 3 miscues. Jefferson led the team with 30 points (12-27 FG, 6-9 FT) while Miller chipped in 25 (10-19 FG, 5-7 3pt), adding 7 rebounds and 6 dimes. Last year's notorious clankers, Brewer and Telfair, nicely split the difference between judiciously conservative shot selection and keeping defenses honest, going a combined 8-17 FG and 7-7 FT. Love was 4-13 FG but got to the line 6 times (5-6 FT) and seized four offensive rebounds out of his 9 total.

There were a few glitches in the plan. Shaddy McCants was unable to work himself into the mix, going 3-8 FG (1-5 3pt) in just 13:24. Despite a relatively strong overall game, Foye continued to demonstrate some mental yips, committing a ghastly, unforced turnover that prevented his team from having a chance to win it with 2 seconds left in regulation (he hesitated and then threw the ball right to Spur Michael Finley) and then traveled with the score tied and 1:05 left in the first overtime. The opening quarter found everyone but Miller shooting 1-12 FG (and everyone but Tony Parker on the Spurs shooting 2-12 FG).  And on the other side of the ball there was this small matter of Parker wilding on a career-high 55 points despite being energetically defended most of the time by Corey Brewer, who forced Parker to beat Minnesota with jump shots. So he did.

But what Wolves team members and their fans should take away from this game (if only for their emotional stamina)  was how well the Wolves' offense adjusted to defensive counter-attacks, not just in the give and take the run-up to the final quarter, but in the fast-paced, offensive slugfest of that four period, when 67 points were scored. With Minnesota down 7, 79-86, with 8:08 to play, you had Jefferson feeding Brewer for a layup out of a double team, then Foye finding Miller and kicking it out to him for a trey. A couple of dimes by Gomes--to a driving Brewer and out to Miller for yet another 3-pointer--was rewareded in turn with a dish to Gomes by Foye for a lay-up to tie the score just three minutes later, with 5:04 to go. Then it was Telfair's turn to feed a Miller trey and a layup by another teammate (this time Foye),

With the score knotted at 97 with 3:30 to go, there was ample evidence that Parker was relatively unstoppable, blowing past Brewer (or Bassy or Foye) if they tried to deny his movement, yet sticking the jumper if they didn't. Tim Duncan (who had 30) and Roger Mason (26) were more than just bit players in this also. But this time, Minnesota could match fire with fire. After Foye nailed a 20-footer that served notice that he as well as Miller needed attention on the perimeter, Jefferson twice responded to single-coverage in the low left block by banking in up-and-under buckets going baseline on outside shoulder spin moves. Then, in the second overtime, you had Foye twice assisting Jefferson on easy baskets, followed by Foye twice finding himself free in the corner outside the packed-in defense, getting feeds from Gomes and Big Al, respectively, and swishing two 23-footers on either side of the three-point arc.

This, of course, was the reason for optimism when the Wolves acquired Miller in the draft day deal this summer. There were no series of possessions in the extended crunch time of this double OT ballgame when the Spurs clearly sussed out and stymied the Wolves' offense. The game was ultimately decided by the Spurs' ability to grab two offensive rebounds, prolonging the clock and enabling them to score the winning points by bleeding the clock and provoking fouls in the final seconds.

2. Little Things To Love

My skepticism about Kevin Love's immediate ability to contribute is steadily being eroded by the depth of little things he brings to the game. Like most others who "know how to play," Love has confident instincts that produce quick reactions, like throwing the ball off your opponent as you are falling out of bounds, or knowing when trying for a block is just going to risk a three point play and instead making the hard foul. More subtly, it is knowing first if you need to rotate over on help defense, and, if so, when best to go to be disruptively effective. It is knowing when to make a pass that probes and when to simply maintain rapid ball movement around the perimeter. Or when to sell out and totally crash the boards and when to lurk for a putback but prioritize getting back on D.

The right and wrong answers to these things generally can't be measured on the chalkboard, but on one's innate feel for the flow of the game and one's quickly-gleaned knowledge of what the other players on the floor are capable of doing. Love has very good instincts and is a quick study to boot. After tonight's game, Wittman lamented that he turned down some open looks late in the game, but the way his teammates were humming, combined with his own 4-13 FG accuracy, proves he can exercise shrewd self-restraint. With 9 rebounds, 3 blocks, 6 trips to the line, and numerous times where he stuck his arms and hands in the rebound scrum to keep balls alive or, at least once, dove on the floor to retrieve it, he's got a good blend of grit and finesse. I'm still not sold on a Jefferson-Love front line being large enough to adquately defend many teams in the NBA paint, and it is also plain that Love has minimal hops and a physique that looks susceptible to calorie absorption--chiselled he ain't. But the little instinctual strengths he possesses aren't likely to diminish over time, setting him up to be a trustworthy contributor sooner and more effectively than most 20-year old rookie power forwards just 6 feet, 8 inches tall. Tonight Witt started him over Gomes to begin the second half, another incremental rung up the totem pole. I'd still prefer a legit center next to Big Al most of the time. But even on his "off games' such as the Oklahoma City contest, this rook does enough things right to already merit steady rotations--especially if we regard this as another rebuilding year. 

3. Quick Hits

As much fun as tonight's game was, I'm still curious to see the Wolves play a really good team firing on all cylinders--would they get blown out by 30-40 points or sharpen their play to step up to the competition? It's a jolt to see the Spurs in this current incarnation. A team that has always prided itself on suffocating D, especially on the perimeter, and smart, rapid ball movement, now seeks to play Parker or (less often) Duncan one-on-one, kicking to spot-up shooters like Roger Mason or Finley if they can't make it happen themselves. LeBron and Kobe have nothing on the star-centric sets the Sputs were utilizing with Parker tonight, as his 36 shots, 10 dimes and 7 rebounds attest. At the other end of the court, there were at least three times when no box-outs created easy Wolves putbacks. Meanwhile, on the sidelines, the newly bearded Pops looks more like a beachcomber than someone on the verge of ripping the throat out of the least alert and rugged link in his defensive chain.

After losing to Dallas the previous night, the aged Spurs suddenly found themselves in a heated, scrappy, double-overtime tilt on the road. And this is where the championship pedigree of Parker and Duncan came to the fore. There was one play where Duncan's legendary veneer started to crack, and you could tell by his entire body language that he was going to try and ram the ball through Jefferson and into the hoop. But he'd telegraphed it to both Jefferson and Love, who were both waiting for his airborne lunge for a stuff, and sent him to the floor without a foul. But as he was landing on his back, Duncan's blocked shot was likewise coming down, and even as he hit the floor with humiliation now compounding his frustration, he grabbed the rock and sent it rolling toward Parker, extending a possession that eventually produced points. Seeing that enormous will to win, it makes it hard to doubt the Spurs. But then you realize this is the kind of heroics SA's Big 3 generate in high-stakes series like the conference finals. This was an early November game against the Timberwolves, and this old and proud team has months of this uphill battle to wage before they even begin needing to ramp up another notch for the postseason. That's when doubting the Spurs doesn't seem so foolish.

Telfair's first game back from suspension isn't likely to quiet the controversy over whether he should rob time from Foye, as Bassy looked sharp, shot well and sparingly (3-6 FG in 30:07) and reminded fans that purposeful flair is a point guard's signature.

Wittman used Bassy and Foye effectively together a couple of times, one of the bevy of different combos that both he and Pops were throwing on the floor at a dizzying pace. With Oberto slowly recovering from injury and Kurt Thomas obviously taking his own sweet time getting into vintage form, Pops has been utilizing super-small lineups. In the first half, Wittman followed suit and put McCants, Smith, Love Bassy, and Foye on the floor for what turned out to be some short-term again. And then in the third period, Michael Finley was (unsuccessfully) guarding Love for a while. These are strange times in San Antonios.

33 Reader Comments

Wim (Belgium) (not verified)03:49am
Nov 6
Only got one thing to say: Wish I could have seen it.
levi (not verified)08:46pm
Nov 6
Yes -- it won't be often that the Wolves will find themselves playing teams as weak defensively as the Spurs are right now... http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=defeff&seasonType=2&league=nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fteamstats%3fsort%3ddefeff%26seasonType%3d2%26league%3dnba
Andy G (not verified)08:28am
Nov 6
Be careful what you wish for, I guess, at least if it's a Corey Brewer-Tony Parker matchup. I'm not sure what we could've done differently to contain him. We went underneath the screen for the first three periods, which didn't work, then we fought around it for much of the final three periods, which also didn't work. He scored from outside and inside, whether guarded or unguarded. That was an amazing performance. I didn't like the quick hook on Shaddy in the 2nd Half. His 3-8 was actually 3-7 if you take out his full-court attempt at the buzzer. He missed a classic Shaddy attempt--a long jumper off of a ball-stop, and Witt called him back for the night--(except for last second situations). Immediately before that, he made a nice assist to Gomes for a layup. It's good to see the offensive schemes working, but I hope they can keep Shaddy involved in them. If he gets only 13 minutes, he won't be a happy camper. Love played good defense on Duncan. This was good to see. Jefferson played ok defense, at times, but also let TD knock a couple of his patented bank shots right over his head. The last time I saw TD play here, Marc Blount guarded him, and it's safe to say we've made an upgrade in that matchup, whether it's #25 or #42 on him. On the breath-of-fresh-air meter, I think Bassy's return was about a 9.8 out of 10. He showed how to push the ball, challenge defenses and set up teammates for shots. In other words, how to be an NBA point guard. I hope he can keep hitting those mid-range jumpers, because that might be all it takes to push him over the edge and into the pool of the league's good lead guards. I also liked the pairing with Foye. Foye immediately looked more comfortable as the off-guard.
Britt Robson09:08am
Nov 6
I thought this was one of Shaddy's worst games of the year--not only his inability to flow in the offense but his matador D on Mason and his failure once again to come up big in a do-or-don't pressure situation on that missed trey at the end. So I flip to popcornmachine.net and nba.com and see him still post a plus +3. As with Mad Dog, after awhile you see these consistently better outcomes than what you might expect and you begin to have to start noticing what it is (besides his obvious talent) that makes him such a subtle but consistent positive force. It's on my mental checklist for the next few games.
Andy G (not verified)09:17am
Nov 6
I didn't include what happened right before that nice assist to Gomes--an inexplicable Defensive 3 Seconds call on McCants when the Spurs were scrambling with about 2 on the shot clock. One shot and the ball is quite a bailout. I never disagree when people say McCants makes bone-headed plays, and it's exactly why I don't think he's a starter. But, the team was gelling with the Telfair-Foye-McCants trio in there for part of the 2nd Quarter and I would've liked to see more of it in the 4th. Miller played well, though, so it's not like it was any kind of no-brainer to give Shaddy more crunchtime minutes. I watched Shaddy go through quite a workout before the game, taking all sorts of jumpers with the coaching staff bumping him in different directions. He's a dedicated player.
Carl G (not verified)11:37am
Nov 6
1st time poster, long time reader: One thing I thought you failed to mention was how gaud aweful Gomes was on defense last night and through the better part of the season. Although he is a "heady" player, ball movement, spacing, semi consistent jumper. he has been a matchup nightmare in a bad way for this team. he got lit up by john salmons all night vs. Sacto and as heady as he seems to be offensively, he is equally lacking on the defensive end thus far. I wasn't excited about this signing in the first place other than for the fact that he was cheap and can hit an open J. To this point though, I would prefer to see him coming off the bench, dare I say, with Shaddy and Smith (wow, that lineup will be stifling defensively, not!). In one game off the bench Bassy has already proven to be the best point guard on this team. While I like Foye, he is seemingly disappointing me every game with his inability to have those instincts of flow that all great 1's possess. Not to mention him single handedly forcing turnovers at a high rate against Dallas that blew a very winnable game. He's a better creater at the two and seems more relaxed there. I'm not willing to give up on the idea of him as a point guard but the line of foye backers is getting shorter as the season goes on. On Love, he could be the next big small fundamental, now if we can give him a special potion that will make him grow four inches we could finally move Al to the four spot where he can truly shine. It will be interesting to see what Jason Collins can give this team if anything. Brewer has shown vast improvement just by seemingly not running around like a chicken with his head cut off. I love not seeing Marko out there, that was a huge addition by subtraction. And Miller is much better fundamentally than I remember him being. His D however is also a bit weak as well. Shaddy continues to be an enigma and may never break out of his me first spell or whatever it is, does Witt just hate this guy though or what, can you say 2 year doghouse? I'll stop highjacking the thread now, but overall I'm pleased offensively with the team, but for God's sake can someone show hard on a screen for me? and a bit more than a hand/arm show (take notes from Mad Dog), AL Jefferson! so much for his team defense improving.
levi (not verified)08:34am
Nov 7
Re Mike Miller - before joining the Wolves, I didn't get to see him too much, but I was generally impressed by his all-around play, not just his shooting. I'll agree that he is not a defensive wizard, but I also think it's far too soon to declare him a defensive liability. In reality, a split second of indecision can make you look real bad at this level. The Wolves have yet to learn how to play defense -- which is a team activity. Miller is adapting to whatever (sarcastic interpretation allowed) Wittman's defensive schemes are and his new teammates. I believe that he is at least giving the effort, which is the first requirement.
levi (not verified)08:34am
Nov 8
Following the loss to Sacramento, we read... "Until we are committed defensively we don't have a chance,'' Minnesota coach Randy Wittman said. "We are not committed individually and we are not committed as a team. That's the way we played.''
b (not verified)08:37am
Nov 6
Brit, a couple questions for you: 1) What do you think of Corey Brewer to this point? So far I am impressed moreso by his demeanor on the court, not looking lost or overwhelmed by the NBA game anymore as he did last year. His jumper seems to be coming along (by that I mean finding modest success) but what most impresses me is how he is using his speed and hustle to infuse energy into the game and not just running around but doing it with more savvy than seen previously. What do you think? Am I drinking some cool-aid here or is Brewer doing pretty well so far? 2) Am I nuts to already think that Love is the real deal and his intangibles make him a solid building block for any franchise? There is a sportscasting cliche of "playing the game the right way" but I think it applies here. His anticipation alone makes me smile when thinking of Brewer's struggles last year and Gerald Green, too. Love sees the game better than any young big I can remember and though he is likely to get beat up and worn out by the NBA grind, his hustle and dogged determination are a joy to watch. I'm taking a huge gulp of the Love cool-aid and my hopefullness of Brewer being solid doesn't seem so pie-in-the-sky anymore.
Britt Robson09:01am
Nov 6
b-- Brewer is obviously improved and I think your description in paragraph 1 is more reality than kool-aid. That's why I want the Wolves to play somebody really good--something that hasn't come close to happening yet--so I can get a better read on Brewer, Love, Foye, etc. But you're right about Brewer's attitude about his own context in the NBA--he seems both more realistically humble about what he can't do and more confident about what he can do (and how he can do it). And yes, it is Love's internal barometer that far outshines his externals (hops, muscle). "Smart, scrappy white guy" is such a laughable racial cliche that I wince even as I acknowledge its accuracy in this case.
stop-n-pop (not verified)08:39am
Nov 6
It was fun to finally see the offense get moving in the 2nd and 4th. It was frustrating to see them fail to adjust on defense to a pick and roll. Blow up the screen, double team at the pick, foul the hell out of TP in the lane....do something. They weren't even flashing at the pick to make Parker hesitate. The guy shot sub-30% from 3 last year. Good lord, do something. On the good side of things, they are 1-3 against crappy competition but without playing well on the side of the ball they are supposed to be playing well on. They are better defensively than last year and if they can just get their offense moving they should be alright. I thought one of the most curious things in last night's game was when Gomes would be subbed in for Love near the end of a quarter, presumably for defensive purposes. To me, this makes zero sense. Love is already the best help/team defender on the team and he rebounds at a rate unimagined by Gomes. I'm pretty sure that some of those killer offensive rebounds by the Spurs were grabbed with Mr. Love on the bench. I've said before that I think Love is already the team's 2nd best player, and I'd like to go a bit further by saying that I don't think he's far off from being their best all-around player. He'll never be the scorer that Big Al is but he's going to post some pretty impressive rookie stats and he'll have nice on/off and +/- numbers. He's really, really good.
Xand1 (not verified)12:53pm
Nov 6
I have to agree with SnP re: Love. I adore Jefferson's post game and rebounding, but his all-around game is already bested by Love. The guy just does the right thing almost every play, and he adjusts to his role. If he's got the ball in his hands, you can trust him to post up if he has a mismatch, but not to force an errant shot when he should be passing. If he's off the ball, he knows when to cut, when to spot up for a J and when to establish position for an offensive board. Defensively, he makes the correct rotations, and plays excellent team D. He's definitely got work to do, andt here's no question whatsoever that he could be more effective if he were a bit quicker or a bit mor explosive, but he brings an uncommon skill set and uncanny court sense to our team when he's on the floor.
Andy G (not verified)01:28pm
Nov 6
A lot gets made of whether Jefferson is a guy you can build a contender around. The answer is no, if you mean the way Cleveland builds around LeBron or LAL builds around Kobe. But, if you have forwards like Jefferson and Love and a point guard that plays like ours (the backup) did last night, you have the makings of a team that can contend. No, it's not all there, yet. We need more size and depth up front and more consistent play from our perimeter scorers. But I must say that I agree with the people praising Love, today. I mentioned to someone at the game in the third quarter that it seemed like Love was making good things happen on every single possession. Obviously, 4-13 indicates that I was exaggerating, but he rebounded or recovered many of his missed and blocked shots and kept a ton of balls alive in key situations. Man, with both he and Brewer on the court, teams will have to give their best effort to come up with the ball. I really think our personnel situation begs for a great point guard, so I'd love to see Telfair play most of the season the way that he did in last night's game--against a very capable opposing guard and entire defensive team.
timmuggs (not verified)02:03pm
Nov 6
Good comment. I cringed when I saw Gomes come in for Love in those situations. Gomes is good, but my gut said we needed Love in there at the time, and you gave the reasons why.
GaryTrentFan (not verified)08:46am
Nov 6
Was I the only one who wished that Craig Smith would put a Gary Trent on Parker to make him think twice about driving the lane area? Another soft Wolves team.
Britt Robson09:30am
Nov 6
I understand the impulse, but it's not like Tony Parker hasn't been beaten up by unsoft teams, only to keep scoring and creating for others. This time the plan was to deter penetration and make him a jump-shooter. And it didn't matter.
Just a Fan (not verified)08:53am
Nov 6
Britt, Like your comments but I think one point about last night's game is completely missing - the extraordinarily poor coaching job Wittman did. Here is my 3 pointer on poor coaching. Let's take Foye's turnover that you mentioned. It came out of a time out. Did you see the play call? It was so poorly conceived that I ran it back and forth on the TiVo 3 times. Foye had only 1 option - Gomes who broke to a position that was no more than 5 feet from Foye. Gomes was in congestion, broke left when Foye thought right, BINGO turnover. Where were the other inbound options? Nowhere as Wittman's focus was on spacing the scorers ASSUMING that Pop would let them get the ball in to the only player available. Sorry Witt, Pop knows to pressure the in bounds with a short clock to prevent a team from setting up their last play. Later, we are down by 3, second OT winding down and we need a 3. Time out, play designed and McCants is subbed in. Play is designed for Miller on a "wheel". But Miller is completely covered (see point 3 below). Ball is rotated to McCants as the 2nd option, a player who was benched in the 3rd quarter after a horribly ill advised 3, who had not seen the floor for better part of an hour (real time), whose body language said to me "i don't want to be here" and now he is going to stick the 3 ice cold off the bench? RIght. I place the odds of that shot at no better than 1 in 20. Yet that would seem to be the best play Witt would could come up with. Pretty lousy effort. Finally, even homer Jim Pete said it late in the game - at some point - you make the decision to force someone else beat you. Meaning, someone not name Parker. Pop made that decision in OT - he was not going to let Miller beat him. Did you see the help Bowen got as Miller tried to run off our screens? I don't think Miller got around one screen without a "bump" from the help side defender. Those little "bumps" gave Bowen enough time to recover to a strong defensive position making it damn difficult for Miller to get the clean looks he got earlier in the game. I have heard reported for months that defense is our mantra this year. Did anyone see Brewer get any help coming off those screens? Did Parker ever get bumped out of his comfort zone by a help side defender? Did Witt ever decide to make someone else beat them? No, no and no. I felt sorry for Brewer. He busted his ass all night trying to stay with Parker without a even a small bit of help. So excuse the rant. The players played well enough to win if they would have received some help from the bench. But from my perspective, we lost the game last night because of our coach; whose life time record now stands at 97 wins and 195 losses (.333) in 4+ years of coaching. While the jury is out on if some of our players will ever develop into certifiable NBA players, I think the verdict is in on our coach.
Britt Robson09:20am
Nov 6
I'll take the word of your TiVO and your dedication to this theme over my game-time only observations, but I recall seeing Shaddy flashing out with his hands outstretched on Foye's big gaffe. I think that one was as much or more Foye than it was Wittman. As for point two, I agree that McCants wasn't in rhythm this game, hasn't shown an ability to deliver in the clutch consistently and thus didn't generate confidence when he went up for the j. Nevertheless, having McCants on the floor to stretch the defense and possible tie the score with his long-range shooting isn't exactly an illogical move at that stage, and qualifies as second-guessing, at least on my part. But I think point three is probably your most solid argument. By Wittman's comments in the postgame, the plan was obviously to turn Parker into a jump shooter, which meant Brewer overplaying penetration. Plus, it is much harder to deny Parker the ball than Miller. But all that said, I could have used the Wolves selling out more often to stop TP, especially with Finley getting older and less accurate by the minute on his open jumper. In that regard, the key play was Parker's ability to catch and shoot to tie the score at the end of the first OT.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)11:19am
Nov 6
It was Hacksaw Bruce Bowen whom Foye threw it to at the end of regulation. To me, a play like that is also miscommunication between Foye and Miller. Miller was moving away from his designated route because it was being denied, which caused confusion. That's not a good excuse, but it was part of the situation. As a fan, though, that was one of the more enjoyable competitive games that I've seen in recent memory. Watching the game and reading the numbers, it was obvious that both teams were focused and resilient. Maybe it won't be the most memorable game, but it might be the most well-played game from both teams that the Wolves have this year.
Just A Fan (not verified)03:27pm
Nov 8
Britt, From the Star Tribune Friday AM ""That's maybe a good word, yeah," Wittman said. "We just need to continue to do what we're doing. We could easily be [3-1], that's how close we are."" Continue what we are doing? So Friday night against Sac. - he changed 2/5 of the starting line up - he completely changed the player rotation messing up what little defensive communication that we had - he played 10 players 15 minutes assuring no continuity (after playing only 7 players over 15 minutes in the 2 OT loss to San Antonio). I wonder how many changes Wittman would have made if the TWolves were not, in his own words, "close".. At this rate, I expect the players to tune him out by mid Dec.
Moroni (not verified)09:27am
Nov 6
I love the defense Cory Brewer has brought to the table thus far this year and I know he's probably the best matchup for Parker, or just about any teams best offensive threat at the 1-3. However, what does that say about Foye's defense? He can't guard anyone. One thing I've noticed through the first couple games is how bad his defense has been, I would argue worse then Shaddy's. I also am coming to the conclusion that Jefferson will never be a good help defender. There are 5 or 6 plays every game where he's just slow rotating over, and it seems to be just instincts that he lacks. Al also took some really bad shots yesterday. I love Al's offensive game and he makes some ridiculous shots with the deft touch of his right hand, but he jacked about 6 up last night that he had no business shooting. Why would you run a play for McCants to end the game when he hadn't taken a shot in about an hour? I realize it was an option for Miller to shoot if he was open but to have the next option be someone who hasn't touched the rock for an hour makes no sense to me. I love Telfair, I thought he played a great game, maybe the difference in the offense.
Captain America (not verified)09:54am
Nov 6
I was equally impressed with K-Love's defense on Duncan. You could tell that Duncan admired the tenacity of K-Love. All I'm looking for this year is a competitive team who will battle. Compared to last year, this team looks like it has a fighting chance to win some games.
A.K. Agikamik (not verified)11:13am
Nov 6
I second CA's hurrah for Love's defense on Duncan. I was sitting closer than usual to the action last night and in the first half watched closely as Love covered Duncan. He gave up what looked like 2-3 inches. He had good position on Duncan throughout and made the Spurs work a little extra to get it into his hands. Love never seemed to over-react and generally made Tim work very hard too. Although he ended with 30, Duncan only had six at half thanks in large measure to our new first rounder. On the offensive end I noticed two or three times where Love drove to the hoop and tried unsuccessfully to get a reverse layup. Each time he either got blocked or fouled hard. My hunch is this was a move that worked well for Kevin in HS, AAU and at UCLA. Welcome to the Association, young man. The sooner Love learns to go straight to the rim the more successful he will be at this level with bigger, faster and more athletic opponents defending and helping out against him.
Xand1 (not verified)12:46pm
Nov 6
I will second (well, third) the praise for Love's defense tonight. He moved his feet, held his ground and basically stood Duncan up on numerous plays, harrying him into no small amount of missed post-up attempts. Sure, Duncan got his 30, but it wasn't until he started hitting from outside that he became effective, and it took him 26 shots to do it. I think anytime you can make Duncan kill you from outside and do it in such a relativley inefficient way, you consider it a success. Parker, on the other hand, was absolutely absurd yesterday. If he's hitting like that from midrange, he's nigh unguardable when you consider his incredible penetration abilities. How about those two swats by Love on Duncan, by the way? I don't know how he does it considering he wasn't more than a foot off the floor on either one, but who am I to argue with results!
stop-n-pop (not verified)03:27pm
Nov 6
Love is already building a nice little on/off number with his ability to play team defense. It wasn't just against Duncan. He played well against Dirk when he had the chance. Right now he's +16.2 with on/off OE and -6.1 (a good thing) on on/of DE. That means he's worth +22.2 points/100 possessions to the club compared to whoever he's being replaced with. That's tops on the team.
A.K. Agikamik (not verified)03:42pm
Nov 6
SnP - Your insights would carry a lot more weight if you could put some statistics behind your opinions once in a while.
levi (not verified)08:31pm
Nov 6
I'm not sure of the exact provenance of S&P's numbers either, but I'd assume that they are correct. Looking at last night's game, again I wanted to see how Love did when paired with Jefferson (source popcornmachine.net). To wit: Ist qtr stint: 3:13 +4 (vs TDuncan/MBonner) 2nd qtr: 3:19 -2 ( +1 vs TB/MB, -3 vs Oberto/Thomas/Bonner) 3rd qtr : 9:17 -1 (vs mostly Duncan/Oberto) 4th qtr: 3:52 +5 (vs Duncan/Oberto) I make that as +6 over 19:41 while playing w/Al Jeff in regulation. Pretty good -- and as a side note, K.Love was also involved in 4 out 5 of MN's runs. Telfair as PG seemed to lead the duo to better results than Foye. The bad news is that the pair also went -6 in less than 10 minutes during the over times. Overall, Kevin was +2 in his 36 minutes.
stop-n-pop (not verified)09:14am
Nov 7
Stats-wise, I'm a fan of the on/off data found at 82 Games: www.82games.com You can run it against the data at Basketball Value: www.basketballvalue.com Doug's Stats have the best raw data that can be filled into spread sheet form. http://dougstats.com/ Knickerblogger is invaluable: www.knickerblogger.net NBA Stuffer is ok: http://www.nbastuffer.com/ Count the Basket has an excellent stats link page: http://www.countthebasket.com/statlinks.htm Individual-wise, I think the best way to rank players is to take a series of stats (adj +/-, on/off, PER, etc) and weigh them against one another. It takes some digging but if you can find out how certain stats are weighed within each of these formulas you can decide for yourself which one is the best and which one you should favor at the end of the day. I'm a big fan of on/off, opponent differential, and favorably ended possessions. How well does your team do when you are on the court compared to when you are off, how well does your individually matched opponent play against you, and how many times do you help your team put the ball in the bucket or stop the other team from putting the ball in the bucket? Whatever you choose, you should be using possession-based stats. Team wise, I like the Four Factors and OE/DE.
drza44 (not verified)10:45am
Nov 6
I find myself really enjoying the play of our last two lottery picks. Love and Brewer will likely never be superstars, but each of them have an "it" factor to their games that makes them stand out. Brewers quickness, length, and energy (and his adaptation to the NBA game) will eventually make him a starting caliber, possibly stud defensive wing on a a good club. And Love's got the intangibles to be a very good rotation big. I like both players. The Duncan/Big Al battle was fun to watch as well. I really thought that Big Al had gotten the best of the match-up with that huge shot at the end of overtime, but Parker gave the Spurs new life and eventually they won the war. Foye, Telfaire, Miller, Shaddy, and Gomes all bring different skill sets to the table, and hopefully they will find some balance and consistent time to consistently take advantage of those gifts. Last night McCants was the odd man out, but until they find a fixed rotation with fixed roles it is likely that the "odd man out" title will shift around within that group.
antonymous (not verified)12:16pm
Nov 6
Ouch - that's 3 straight games we've given away? I've just got a couple of things to add to the comments above and below: First, that's a tough matchup for Brewer against a quick PG like that, but if your calling card is going to be defense, your man cannot go off for a career-high against you. As the saying goes, "it takes a village to defend Tony Parker", so I won't put it ALL on our perimeter D, but seriously. Second, Mike Miller is probably the only player we have who can look for a shot and maintain smart play at the same time. He's a versatile threat and can play either the SG or SF. It did not matter when Bruce Bowen was guarding him - Miller used his size to do what he wanted to, when he wanted to. Props to coaching (!) during a key run in the fourth - our plan when we absolutely needed buckets to get back into the game was to attack Michael Finley with a big. Whether it was Gomes or Love, there was a solid run in there where we just went after him, whether his man had the ball or not. Eventually Pops had to replace him with Oberto, so mission accomplished there. Where the coaching FAIL happened was in our inability to foul Duncan out of the game. The reason that Parker and Duncan run the pick and roll so well is because they are both capable of making you pay. Then in OT, we stop running plays to abuse Pop's smallball (and by extension, Finley). We had the same lineup that did it before, apart from a benched Foye. The difference in the Spurs OT periods? They effectively swapped Bowen for Oberto, while we traded Bassy for Foye. Now I know an OT is not the place to put in cold players (unless they're named Rashad), but where was Kevin Ollie during all this?
sdsotafan (not verified)12:34pm
Nov 6
Long time reader, first time poster (finally got League Pass). 1) The pick-and-roll defense was awful. Our bigs do not show effectively. You would think this would help them recover to their own man faster, but you would be wrong. It makes me yearn for Mark Madsen. 2) If Rashad McCants was on the Spurs, he would be the Sixth Man of the Year. Wittman obviously can't coach him effectively. While McCants's three was obviously ill-advised, to pull him for the rest of the night is destructive to the player and the team. I don't think Popovich would make that mistake. I would like to see Miller and Jefferson, rather than Wittman, become the enforcer on McCants. He'll respond to his teammates urging him to play the right way alongside them better than he responds to Wittman's domineering. 3) Speaking of Wittman's domineering, what is with his no-headbands-for-rookies rule? I can't think of one good reason for this rule--and "establishing the coach as the man in charge" is not a good reason. Athletes are notoriously superstitious. Comfort and confidence are hugely important to their success. So why forbid Brewer from wearing his headband, which will only make him more comfortable and confident? He sure could have used those traits last year. I'm definitely not saying that the headband is the reason for Brewer's improvement this year. But if anyone can provide me with a good reason why a coach should undermine a player's confidence, I'll be impressed.
Al (not verified)02:32am
Nov 7
Foye lost this game for us. He messed up like an in-house 14-year old. We should lose him. At least McCants has some balls.
Britt Robson02:07pm
Nov 9
No specifics or special insight here. This place isn't for name-calling, it's for elucidation. You don't provide any, "Al." Step up your game or the next one gets doinked.

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