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Preseason Trey: Bookend 9's Doom Wolves O

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Chicago Bulls 85, Minnesota Timberwolves 75

1. Steady Al and the Clanging Non-Jeffersons

Al Jefferson did what he does, dipsy-doodling his up-fakes, baseline spins, up-and-unders, floaters, baby hooks and catch-and-slams in the paint against an assortment of single and double-teams tonight at the Target Center. You know the drill: 19 points (8-15 FG) and 11 rebounds in 25:28. During the time he was on the court, the Wolves outscored the Chicago Bulls 52-48.

Ah, but in the 22:32 Big Al sat, Minnesota's offense mustered 23 points while yielding 37. That's about a 50 points per 48-minute output. Notice that, despite all the shot-clanging, the Wolves' defense was stingier with Jefferson out, so let's not rain too many bouquets here. We know he can score and we know he can have trouble defending and there wasn't a lot of dissuading evidence on either of those accounts tonight.

On the other hand, don't treat the zero dimes too harshly either--without trying to notice, I counted twice when double-teams on him in the post had him passing to the assist-maker on an outside jumper. And then there were all the times his teammates had open looks and misfired. When your teammates shoot 18-65 from the floor (that's 27.7%), assists are precious. Bottom line, even with the upgrades in personnel, the Wolves in 2008-09 look to be as much Al Jefferson's team as it was Kevin Garnett's during most of the dozen years KG was here.

2. The McCants Yo Yo

Then there is the helix in the paradox that is Rashad McCants. What do the tattoos say again--Born to be Hated, Dying To Be Loved, or vice versa? No matter, it would be accurate both ways.

McCants was inserted into the game with 1:58 left in the first and the Wolves down 23-9 (they'd finish the quarter with 9 points, the same amount they totalled in the 4th). After 2 turnovers, he was pulled 36 seconds into the second period--a grand total of 2:34 before his first Target Center hook of the (pre)season. After the game, knowing of the friction between him and Shaddy last year, Coach Randy Wittman went out of his way to depersonalize it, criticizing the behavior and not the player. And the behavior? Not passing. If you don't pass and you're not going to pass--ANYBODY, not just Rashad McCants--then you are going to sit, Wittman said. To prove it, he later cited the need for Jefferson to pass out of double-teams, and noted that there are more guys who can score and create openings for others on the roster this year.

Okay, I get that this was a teachable moment in getting through loud and clear very early in the season to McCants that things will go a certain way. But, ah, Corey Brewer was 0-5 FG in 10:41 of the first quarter and Kevin Love bricked all four shots in just 5:41 of the first. Yes, ball movement is crucial and McCants can be notorious in bogarting the orb--in fact he didn't attempt a shot before he sat, but was in no particular hurry to let go of the rock either. It gets back to the old question of which is a "better" shot: McCants contested or Brewer wide open?

Wittman isn't wrong for wanting the offensive to flow to the open man and thus the open look. He specifically cited a play where Brewer was wide open from 18-feet and drove to the basket for a shot, the coach claimed, "that wasn't as good." Again, I can see the reasoning-- you want to space the floor for Jefferson and your sharpshooters like Shaddy and Mike Miller. But once he starts developing units (something that is difficult right now because of injuries to big men Collins, Booth, and Harrison, plus the preparation for Telfair's 3-game suspension to start the season), I hope he starts discriminating about shot selection for different players; in terms of both range and frequency.

Kevin Love was 1-10 FG tonight. Witt correctly noted that many of the misses were highly makeable buckets that Love usually converts in his sleep--he had a big off-night. The numbers during this preseason likewise say that Corey Brewer's 1-7 FG was an aberration. But I think Love is a 20-year old rookie who stands 6-8 and is warring in the NBA paint for the first time in his life. If he distinguishes himself appreciably more than the past three first-rounders--McCants, Foye and Brewer--during their respective rookie years, I will be pleasantly surprised. (His offense is the least of my concerns, but there is plenty of time for that later.) Meanwhile, I am in red-lined "show me" mode when it comes to Brewer's point-scoring prowess. Anytime the dude goes up for a jumper, I'm registering a victory for the opposing defense on that possession. The season will be much more enjoyable for all the sooner and more definitively he proves me (and likely every scout and coordinator in the NBA) wrong by burning ballclubs that let him jack.

Back to McCants. Which means back to shuffling the Janus masks. The guy came off the bench lethargically, seemingly without his head in the game, at either end of the court. He also seemed scapegoated, given that the "ball movement" mantra had produced one assist (Brewer to Big Al) and a whopping 9 points in the 10:02 he'd been sitting--and not coincidentally because Brewer and Love were getting as many "good" shots as Jefferson.

"No matter what position you take on McCants, he'll prove you wrong within 30 seconds," I said to the guy next to me (Ben, from citypages.com, a perceptive writer worth your time), and almost right on cue in the second quarter, Shaddy stole the ball and then passed it into a turnover. He repeated the same thing sequence in the third period--a nicely anticipated step into the passing lane, an ill-advised dish that made turnabout fair play.

Re-inserted by Wittman just 2:09 after he'd been benched, Shaddy made the punishment look shrewd by emerging on high-alert, passing the ball, and hewing to anyone's version of savvy shot-selection. On one play he was open from about 15-feet on the right baseline, feinted the shot, dribbled in hard to lure the defenders, and zipped to Jefferson for a slam. Other times he forced the action at the right time and drew the contact. Coming into the game, he was 9th on the team in minutes played and yet first in FT attempts by a wide margin thus far this preseason, and tonight he made six trips to the line in the second quarter alone. But--your 30 seconds are up!--he also seemed to be complaining to the ref who'd just rung up a foul that got him to the charity stripe in the second quarter: What was he lobbying for, a flagrant? And after he hit the first shot, he put his head down and walked halfway to the basket with his fists outstretched to either side. But no teammates stepped in to bump them.

In the 3rd quarter, McCants went off for a bushel--as with Jefferson, you know the drill. The Wolves were down 10 with 4:27 left in the period when he subbed in for Brewer and quickly drew a foul on Nocioni. Between foul shots, Wittman subbed in Love and Kevin Ollie for Jefferson and Foye, and swapped in Rodney Carney for Miller less than two minutes later. You take away Shaddy's three main rivals for the team scoring title and replace them with a rook having a horrible shooting night, a guy fighting for the third-string point guard position and a defensive-oriented jumping bean. Message delivered. Shaddy started looking for his, and his teammates-especially Ollie, helped. McCants committed one of his steal/turnover parlays, then nailed a bunny jumper. Miller (still in the game at the time) dove on the floor for a loose ball, dislocating Larry Hughes' shoulder in the process, and fed it to a teammate, who got it to Ollie and over to McCants for a trey...bang! Wolves down 4. Kirk Hinrich hits a layup but McCants follows his own missed runner with a putback layup. Then McCants counteracts Noah's two free throws with a 21-footer, again off a feed from Ollie.

On to the 4th quarter. Ollie and Carney trade steal-assists and breakaway layups with each other, cutting the lead to 2. The Bulls call timeout, get two Nocioni free throws on their next possession, but then watch McCants bury another trey on yet another dime from Ollie. After being down 29-9 at the end of the first, the Wolves trail by a digit, 73-74, with 7:47 to play. McCants, who scored his team's last 11 points of the third quarter and then adorned it with that trey, has 19 points in 18 minutes, going 6-13 from the field (2-4 3pt FG) and 5-8 from the line.

Then comes the fade. Chicago has paired two bigs, Noah and Gray, and add in the stellar rook Derrick Rose along with Nocioni, with Shaddy's man Sefolosha being the fifth. The Wolves only sub until the final minute is Foye for Ollie with 4:44 to play. McCants is jacking to no avail--three missed treys and two-pointer blocked by Sefolosha. Zero assists. Nada on the free throws. As a team, the Wolves score two points--Kevin Love, finally on the board courtesy of a nice feed from Carney for a dunk--in the final 7:47. And in the final minute, Sefolosha passes to Rose, Shaddy half-heartedly comes over to double, Rose whips it right back to Sefolosha, who dribbles past the out-of-position McCants right down the midsection of the paint, where Carney seems surprised he doesn't pay a toll, Love is backpedalling furiously lest he take a charge or something, and Chris Richard accepts his role as not-so-innocent bystander. Easy lay-up on a McCants-initiated chain reaction of four lousy defensive efforts, and a six point deficit is now 8 with 37.2 to go.

3. Odds and Ends

* Derrick Rose is the real deal. The box score will show Rose with 17 points (on 7-16 FG, 3-5 FT), six assists, five boards and five turnovers, versus Randy Foye's 12 points (4-9 FG, 1-3 3pt FG, 3-4 FT), 3 assists, four boards and one turnover, but in terms of point guard command and efficacy, the gap was larger than that. At the halfway point of the 4th quarter and the Bulls up only three, Rose found himself grabbing a contested ball with little time on the shot clock. As he began making his move toward the hoop, most people figured he was putting himself in position for a desperation jumper from 20 feet. Instead he zipped a pass to a wide open Noah underneath for a layup that just beat the buzzer. Earlier, in the 3rd period, Foye found himself pushing hard on the dribble of a 2-on-2 breakaway, a situation where the point guard needs to get a lay-up, an assist, or two foul shots. Instead, Foye's layup was blocked out of bounds--Wolves retained possession, but no points. Yes, that dramatic contrast is unfair to Foye if it is regarded as representative of both players' entire evening, I make it because it is difficult for me to imagine the two players switching roles on those two plays--I think Foye would have shot the jumper, and it may well have gone in. And I think Rose would have generated one of the three positive outcomes from that 2 on 2 break.

* Wittman says he will cut the roster after tomorrow's exhibition game against the Bucks. (For most of you, "tomorrow" is probably today, Thursday. I won't be attending, but the comments section will be open for your take if you wish to make it.) He says Telfair's suspension will provide a little relief, presumably meaning that he may not have to immediately make a decision between Ollie and Ahearn (that was the way I took it anyway). One presumes Calvin Booth will be bought out (Witt said Booth may play vs. Milwaukee). Whether the team decides to keep the newcomer Harrison is another interesting development.

* Witt says the defense of Carney has been "a pleasant surprise." From what we saw against the Bulls, he has a little of that Kirk Snyder vibe. How that fits in on this ballclub, which has less role-room for marginal talent than last season's edition, remains to be seen.

* In response to the Strib's Patrick Reusse, who very clearly was not impressed with the ballclub, Wittman firmly reiterated that "without a doubt" this team is better than last season's team.

33 Reader Comments

I Am Ahab!! (not verified)07:50am
Oct 23
Oh man, the sweet sweet 3-pointers are back! This question has always beguiled me, and I even posed it to PA and Dubay last time I was in Minny: Are our draft picks of the past few years (Foye, McCants, Brewer) inherently disappointing as players, or does the coaching staff need to be called out for not cultivating them properly? In other words, if these guys were on other teams with other coaching staffs, would they be further along by now? Just a thought. Britt, are you hooking us up with any all-NBA preview type thing, team by team or conference by conference?
APB (not verified)09:41am
Oct 23
Foye, McCants and Brewer are all potentially average NBA players. Each one has an upside that makes them alluring prospects for being capable NBA players and perhaps critical role players on playoff bound teams. However, they also all have a downside that will prevent all of them from being All Stars or even the alpha dog on their respective teams. They are all good players. None of them is a great player and I don't think any coaching staff could turn any of them into a great player. But they all could be just good enough to be contributing players around a great player or two and good teammates on playoff teams someday. maybe...I think...
Olowa-ebi (not verified)02:47pm
Oct 23
Watched some of the game and things haven't changed much. I have not been drinking the Kool-Aid, nor buying hope; nothing. I hardly post anymore because my mantra is growing tiresome, even to me, MCHALE IS STILL HERE. Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, after trading Brandon Roy away, you repeat history and stake your claim on a "big guy" who revered your hall of fame career, but like all the players on the roster, lacks an all around game. I like Miller and I like the subtraction of McHale's mistakes -- Jaric -- but Foye, McCants, Brewer, and (now I fear) Love will never be a top ten player at their respective position. I do hope that our young players improve and that the team concept pays off. But I expect that the total void of any player worthy of being deemed a top 20 talent will result in another below average showing. Despite the negativity here, I enjoy the other posts.
APB (not verified)03:50pm
Oct 23
I like the Wolves and think that there is some hope. I also think Jefferson is a great player who is a top twenty if not a top ten talent. I also think McHale has made some solid decisons beginning with the KG trade and that includes the trade during the latest draft. We have a lot of good young talent. Wittman has to find a rotation and stick to it consistently this season. The time for evaluating and developing players is over and he has to begin to mold the team into a winning combination of players around Jefferson. I hope Mchale stays around long enough to see Al Jefferson hoist a championship trophy over his head. That will give me a lot of satisfaction, many times more than watching KG hoist one over his head in a Celtics uniform, though I had a smile on my face when he did and then gave his shout out to 'Sota. It might not happen, but hopint it someday will keeps me interested. They need to improve this year and add some very good pieces through the draft and with free agent signings over the next couple of seasons. Its fun being a Wolves fan again.
Andy G (not verified)04:02pm
Oct 23
One huge reason to not look into last night's game too much: Gomes played 12 minutes and Carney played 20. If Gomes plays all 32 of those, the team probably scores a lot more buckets and looks a lot more efficient. He's a glue-guy and would get serious minutes for any team in the league. Oh well, another one tonight and then the real games begin.
Andy G (not verified)08:17am
Oct 23
Great stuff, Britt. McCants, after a free throw (that I think he made) made "the scowl" and walked up to the ref so he could put his hand on the ball. Just another example of him having weird reactions at weird times. If the ball was wet, dry it off before you shoot. And, you made the shot--what's going on that you're so worried about it? He was also yelling random thoughts to anybody who would listen, but nobody in particular during free throws, while he was back on defense. It sure is fun to watch him shoot, though. Rose is a stud. It really doesn't matter that he lacks an outside jumper. If anything, it prevents him from being a shoot-first point guard, and it keeps him attacking the defense and setting up his teammates. He's an amazing finisher in the paint and has a great pull-up jumper (especially when using the glass) so he'll get his 15-20 points without firing a bunch of jumpshots, and his misses will be after drawing extra defenders. Noah & Co. should benefit from that with more offensive rebounds. I was pretty impressed with Foye's on-ball defense last night. He won't face a better penetrator this year, and he did a pretty reasonable job of containing Rose's dribble penetration. Ruesse's put himself on record as hating the Love-trade. If you only saw him play last night, then you'd have to agree with him. But--Love showed a whole lot of ability at UCLA and in the Vegas League, so I'm guessing he'll improve pretty quickly at this level. The only question (and the answer is probably 'no') is whether he and Jefferson can defend big front lines. If you haven't seen Portland yet, then you might still have some optimism about this. I saw about 20 minutes of Oden the other night and I'd feel comfortable betting that his first MVP trophy will come within 4 years.
APB (not verified)09:28am
Oct 23
The one thing I don't agree with Ruesse on is that the trade was mostly about Love and Mayo. This may be true if either one ends up being an NBA stud. I'm not convinced either one will though, even if odds are that Mayo has a better shot. Wittman will need to establish a steady rotation for the Wolves this year and I'd be happy if the 8 man rotation does not include Love and he records more DNP-CD than not, while learning how to be a pro from Cardinal and Maddag at the end of the bench until he earns his NBA wings as a role player during his second or third year as a pro. When the bigs get healthy I'm hoping that Jefferson moves between the 4 and the 5 along the front line with Gomes and Collins or Harrison when playing the 4 and with Gomes and Brewer/Carney or Miller when he is at the 5. The Guard rotation will be Foye, Miller, McCants and Telfair. That makes a rotation of Foye, Miller, Gomes, Jefferson, Collins/Harrison, McCants, Brewer/Carney and Telfair. I don't think Brewer should have a guaranteed spot in the rotation either. He's got to beat out Carney and the center spot should be a duel between Collins and Harrison with the hope that Harrison establishes himself as a Starting NBA center in a Wolves uniform. All that is to say the getting Miller and Collins and while getting ridd of the Jaric and Walker from our roster were more important than the stright up Love for Mayo in this springs draft.
Andy G (not verified)01:20pm
Oct 23
I'm pretty confident of two things, regarding the rotation (at least in the early part of the season): 1) Kevin Love will be a part of it. There's no way we're going to bench this guy completely, after all the hype surrounding the trade, and the fact that we essentially drafted him with the #3 overall pick. Even if he looked over-matched, generally, he really did have some bad bounces and could easily have had a more respectable stat line, last night. 2) Rodney Carney will not be a part of it. He's Corey Brewer, with less defensive ability. His shot is ugly, even if he springs up for it with ease. He shoots off his left eye and couldn't hit even 1 of 2 free throws in the last minute. Between Miller, Brewer & Gomes, I think there will be little opportunity left for Carney--barring injury, of course. It's funny how easy it is to get excited about the team during that late stretch in the season, when a whole bunch of teams are playing for nothing. Follow that up with a high lottery pick and hope is on the horizon. I think you learn the most about a team in the first couple months of the year, and again in the playoffs. Everybody will be throwing out their best lineups and trying to get in the playoff race in November and December. If we get off to another 3-17 start, only to rebound with a decent March and April, I think we'll have to look closer at the bad start, and make changes accordingly. Without putting too much emphasis on one pre-season game, the team looked pretty awful last night, and I think I (and others) might've drank way too much Kool-Aid during the long off-season. Bassy and Brewer look about the same, McCants has the same highs and lows, and Foye, while looking a little quicker and in-shape, is less-than-dominant and clearly worse than the player he was traded for. David Harrison could be a pleasant surprise if we could finally get Jefferson some serious minutes at the 4-spot. That's something I could get reasonably excited about.
APB (not verified)01:55pm
Oct 23
I have also been drinking the kool-aid. For me, and I assume most of us here, thats okay. Its what being a fan is all about. I still think that Jefferson is a star and adding Miller to the lineup gives the Woves a better team this year just by spreading it out a little bit more. Foye and McCants should show some improvement that will help the team, but there weak spots will still be inconsistency, point guard play, and defense. Gomes looks like his improvement should also help. I also agree that Love will be in the rotations because he was the third round pick. However, I don't think this should be guaranteed (Like anyone cares what I think). He's young and I think he should earn is playing time by demonstrating what he can do. If hes not ready, then make him sit and play the players that are ready. We already have players in his size range who can bring things that might help the team on certain matchups. I want to see him be a success, but I don't want the WOlves to commit to him and Al as the 4 and 5 for a lot of minutes. Have him backup Gomes and Al, but I worry about him playing the next to Al as the the tandem in the frontcourt, especialy as a rookie. And, I don't want to give away minutes early in the season to his development while sacrificing wins. If Collins or Harrison can get healthy and both or one of them can capably handle the center spot then there might not be a lot of minutes available for Love. If the Wolves are going to only use Collins or Harrision when matching up against the Yao and a few others, then it'll be Jefferson, Loves and Gomes accross the front for a lot of minutes and the Wolves will have some glaring weaknesses even if Love is a good rookie ready to play in the NBA. In that case, I fear the Wolves might not show much improvement. As far a Brewer and Carney, my main point is not Carney, but rather that Brewer needs to have a shot this year or he has to sit. We can't afford to have him out there if no one has to defend him in the half court. You could run five out there without Jefferson that just runs and plays full court up and down in transition, but the Wolves best success requires Jefferson to be out on the floor and the players around him have to help him out on defense and be threats to make a shot on offense. Carney may not be the answer for Brewer. Perhaps it just Gomes and Love taking the majority of minutes at the small forward spot instead of Brewer. I'd like to see Brewer be an NBA small forward, but the guy has to be able to make a shot. I can see the Wolves, with the talent they have on the roster, winning 35 games without Brewer and Love getting major minutes in the rotation. I'm not sure I can with them. Hope I'm wrong.
I Am Not Ahab!! (not verified)10:02am
Oct 23
Hilarity from the Wolves preview page on espn.com: Timberwolves down one, 9.2 seconds to play, must-win game. What's the play? Twolvesblog.com: Oh, we know exactly what play the Wolves will run -- we saw it twice against Boston last year. Step 1: Get the ball to someone who looks completely overmatched. Sebastian Telfair's great for this; Al Jefferson works, too, especially after he's inevitably swarmed by eight defenders. Step 2: Either take a wild, low-percentage shot (that used to be Marko Jaric's job), or commit an egregious turnover (Telfair or Corey Brewer is in charge here). Step 3: Lose game. This year, though, things will be different. Specifically: Mike Miller will now take all of the Step 2 wild shots!
Moroni (not verified)11:09am
Oct 23
I was surprised by how excited I was to hear Jimmy P, Tom Hanneman and Telly's voices emitting from my TV. The real season is nearly here and I'm not sure we've learned much from preseason. Couple thoughts: Big Al, in my opinion, is the best offensive big in the game at getting buckets. His creativity in the post is awe-inspiring, his touch with the right, deft. I would not be surprised if he got 27 a game this year. However, when the double team comes, the second defender could many times draw a chargeif he set up for Al lean right. He doesn't have the KG turnaround to offset his move to the middle of the paint when he catches on the right block. He needs to work on the left or a turnaround because I worry people will start to play his move to the middle. Randy Foye can not guard anyone, let alone Derrick Rose. oh lottery balls, why dust though mock me? When McCants does a good, followed by a bad, can we start saying "that's just Shaddy being Shaddy."
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)11:28am
Oct 23
Foye's D wasn't great, but Rose is one of the fastest players I've ever seen, and they were able to contain him when the big guy showed hard on the pick and roll (Madsen, for one). When a team exclusively runs pick-n-rolls, the guy who's guarding the one who sets the pick has as much responsibility as the guy who's guarding the ball. If Beno Udrih starts breaking Foye down one on one, then I'll be more worried about this.
antonymous (not verified)12:38pm
Oct 23
I'll admit, after Summer League, I had my doubts about Rose, but he put some of them to rest last night. He'll struggle against top-tier defenses (at first), but he's jitterbug-quick and has a pretty teardrop (a shot I wish more PGs had in their arsenal). Love, on the other hand, I was very excited about after this summer, but I've cooled on as of late - just goes to show you can't really judge a rook until they've got more real game experience. I think I'm starting to come around on McCants though. The last 3 years, I've been pretty down on the guy for his boneheaded plays (like that steal-to-TO last night). Say what you will, but this team needs his perimeter scoring and ability to get to the line. BADLY. He's done exactly that which has been asked of him - he's been aggressive on a team that rarely shoots FTs and rarely shows their fangs. On a team full of deferential nice guys, only Shaddy is badass enough to be the straw that stirs the drink. Foye, on the other hand, stays well inside his comfort zone. If I come into this season as a Foye apologist, I'd say he's "probing the defense", but give me a break - he's looking to go right. He's not drawing contact, he's not usually setting the table for someone else (unless you count making an entry pass to Al, which I do not), he's playing it very safe. At this point, he's obviously a better player than Brewer, but at least Corey knows that he needs to be more aggressive and creative with the ball, and isn't afraid to turn it over, whereas since Foye is a "PG" he isn't allowed the same leeway. Oh, and our superstar is still good, though I must have selective memory when Britt claims that Al passed out of doubleteams - I did watch him shoot rather than hit an open Randy Foye twice though. I do think this weakness of Al's is important when it comes to getting the most out of our shooters, especially if we can manage a Foye-McCants-Miller backcourt for key stretches.
levi (not verified)08:06am
Oct 24
I was at the Target Center for the following game vs Milwaukee. There was absolutely no semblance of an offensive plan for the Wolves, except maybe some sort of crossing pattern by the forwards across the top of the key that I noticed several times. Everything else seemed to be guys making it up as they went, trying to go to their favorite spot, hoping someone would pass. For me, the brightest spot of the night was the play of Mike Miller. He hustled, made plays for others, and played hard every minute he was in. Perusers of the box score might opine that McCants had the better night, but Miller played far more *basketball*. Speaking of McCants. I am now an official, card carrying McCants hater. He won't defend, doesn't really have an NBA-level handle on the ball, and as often noted, he's a ball-hogging shot-jacker. What's not talked about is his ghetto attitude, i.e. taking cheap shots at the other team weakest player, and strutting after made baskets that are really simple gimmes . Twice in this game he should have been called for delay of game, holding on to the ball for several seconds after a make. The point guard situation sucks. It seems obvious that Kevin Ollie is by far the best option, especially defensively, but he is stuck behind a McHale draft choice (Foye) and then Telfair. Making Ollie a starter would put major egg on McHale's face, so that won't happen. At the "3", I found myself kinda cheering for Carney. In this game, he easily looked the equal of Brewer in terms of quality of play and has a more rugged body. And "rugged body" takes me to Kevin Love. Too bad he is so (relatively) short, slow, and has no vertical. He's a good passer, though, and obviously a pretty smart player that's willing to play defense, set screens, etc.. But can he develop into a starting PF in this league? I doubt it, at least not for any team that has playoff aspirations. But I will watch his progress with interest. Gack. What kind of team is it when the only interesting thing is hoping to see the third string guys (who will never be All-Stars) play well?
Britt Robson10:23am
Oct 24
Levi-- I know you know the game and are a genuine hoops fan, and I'm not sure you and other Wolves fans can afford to hate McCants. I thought that the commenter yesterday who likens McCants to Manny Ramirez, as in saying "That's Shaddy being Shaddy," was brilliant. You can't be a quality NBA offense without an ability to hit the trey and/or get to the foul line. McCants is the only player on the team that shines in both facets. Bigger picture, it is too early for despair. Let's see how Foye develops. Ditto Love and Brewer. I'm not saying there isn't reason for concern, I'm just saying that back to back exhibition games a week before the season is an unreliable snapshot of the months ahead.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)12:10pm
Oct 24
I agree w Britt on the first-round quartet. The two who deserve scrutiny at this point are McCants and Foye; the other two have more leeway w me because the first two years are about showing potential, not necessarily consistency. All of them are negatively affected if the offensive system isn't suited for their skills and they can't execute the plays, which I think has something to do with their inconsistency. After all, Wally Szczerbiak looked pretty good with TB as the lead guard, but he was much more inconsistent with someone else there. With McCants, I hope he becomes a more consistent player, but if not, he's one of those guys a team has to live with until someone better comes along, and that player hasn't yet (not even Mayo). I kind of like SnP's idea of turning him into a lead guard. Ultimately, Foye needs to take and make good shots and not back down from stronger guards. He might not be able to stay in front of every quick guard, but he's used to playing bigger players from his days as a college forward. With Brewer, I think they need to have him take shots he can make. At this time, those are slashing layups and 3s. On defense, he has to become a better defender of shooters. He's better at this point at guarding guys who want to get to the rim. I think Love will be able to produce right away, but it's not going to be averaging a double-double. He has good touch; even though he's missed shots, none of them were bad misses. He also will help improve their interior defense because he can stay in front of the ballhandler and stop penetration.
A.K. Agikamik (not verified)04:09pm
Oct 24
I was there for a chunk of the game last night and what I saw from McCants was disappointing. He doesn't seem to integrate into the offense when other scoring options are on the floor. Even as first guy off the bench, it felt like subtraction by addition when he joined the starters. When he is the primary offensive option (leading the second team) he creates instant offense. JV Kobe is my new nickname for Rashad.
Britt Robson01:32pm
Oct 25
AK-- You know I love your stuff and regard you among the most perceptive folks on this site. But you also have developed a pretty extensive pattern of disliking McCants in most any circumstance. I checked the play-by-play for the Milwaukee game, and see that what probably happened was that you were around for McCants' first stint, an 8-minute run in the first half where he seemed to be missing his jumper and in which his team was a net minus -4. But if you'd stayed for his longer, 16-minute stint in the second half, you'd have seen McCants compile a plus +16, meaning that the Wolves were plus +12 in the 24:16 Shaddy was on the court and plus +7 in the 23:44 he wasn't. That's not subtraction by addition. Again according to the play-by-play, there was a 40-second stretch in the 4th quarter where McCants assisted first on a lay-up plus-one for Kevin Love, and then on a dunk by the Rhino, a front-court player with whom he has always enjoyed a good feeding relationship. Without having seen the game, what I find disappointing about Shaddy's performance are the six three-point attempts and only one free throw. Perhaps his greatest value to this current ballclub is his proclivity at getting to the free throw line. I'd hate to see that trend reversed.
Andy G (not verified)01:59pm
Oct 25
The dish to Rhino was the play of the game. He drew a couple defenders and made a great jump-pass for a dunk. He is clearly a shoot-first player, but sometimes, Shaddy makes great assists.
Levi (not verified)10:57am
Oct 26
Thanks for the vote of confidence Britt... I believe it was Einstein who defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. I think that applies to the current Timberwolves GM and owner. And on a different level, I think it applies to fans watching (and worse, paying to see) the Timberwolves. With McCants, I feel that he only looks good in comparison to his counterparts on the Wolves. That doesn't mean I have to like the results he gets, or the attitudes that he brings to the court. He seems like a minor Starbury. It is obvious that Mike Miller is by far the better player at the "2", but perhaps it is only a matter of a few games when Wittman will be instructed to play Miller at the "3", start McCants and ensure that the Wolves are undersized at every position. And to the continued development of Foye? Decades of observing NBA basketball lead me to believe that it isn't going to happen, although I will admit to being wrong about Chauncey Billups. Despair? Perhaps. I make no apologies for it.
Andy G (not verified)08:38am
Oct 24
A few thoughts on the Milwaukee game: Love has no hops. He's a solid player, but he can't get off the ground. I'm not sure if he really tested out at 35" before the draft--if he did, he must have really strong legs and can jump high out of a full squat. There's no "bounce" in his legs, at all. But--he uses his body well and will be a decent defensive rebounder, if he plays the 4. Jefferson was amazing. He'll be an All-Star this year, and we should start whichever point guard is best at getting Al the most touches. Brewer doesn't seem to have improved his jumper. He's a noticeably better player than Carney, however, due to the 5-10 loose balls he picks up per game. This is no longer some sort of Brewer-apologist thing to note--it's ridiculous how many loose balls and steals he comes up with in a game. It'd be great if he could shoot, but when fighting for minutes with Rodney Carney, it's a no-brainer. My only problem with our offense is that Telfair and Brewer end up standing in the corner. They are, inevitably, the guys who find themselves open after a ball rotation, but neither can hit that shot. Brewer should be the one wheeling around off screens, and Miller should stand in the corner. Maybe they weren't out there together--I can't remember exactly. Too bad about cutting Harrison. It was pretty clear last night that we don't have enough size, and "length" in particular, up front.
APB (not verified)09:18am
Oct 24
I have not seen the Wolves play in the preseason. I'm waiting for the regular season to begin. I have tickets to six games as part of a shared season ticket package through work. I am lookikng forward to the season. Going off of the preseason and noting the cutting of Harrison, It appears Jefferson will be getting most of his minutes at the 5. Who Wittman surrounds Jefferson with will dictate how the season goes and whether the team makes improvements towards being a western conference contender over the next few years. Miller will obviously be getting a lot of minutes at the 2 or 3 spot. The best option for PG for this season is Foye and not because he can get the ball to Jefferson better than Telfair. Rather, we need another scorer on the court when the ball does go into Big Al and he inevitably draws double and triple coverage. Foye, Miller and Jefferson. Gomes deserves a starting spot because hes a "glue guy," and he can hes a decent shooter. The final starting position is probably not that important. I imagine that McCants is going to get his 25 minutes a night alongside Foye with Miller sliding to the three. It puts five scorers out on the floor and will open things up for Al down low. The defense will have to suffer and Foye will get outplayed nightly by the opposing point guards. However, he'll get his 15 to 18 points with 4-6 assists a night. That might keep the Wolves in games more often than not. If McCants is not starting than I suppose you should start Love and have Gomes play the three with Miller starting alongside Foye. I'm not sure which option I like better, but I think it clearly gives the Wolves a good option for the 6th man either Love or McCants and it can keep Gomes in their when hes two slow for a quick step small forward or two small to play PF. Brewer, Telfair and Collins/Booth and Smith, too should all get playing time when there are opportunities to rest the starters, but I think WIttman would do well to get the first 6 a lot of playing time together so they learn how to play together as a team, on offense but especially on defense. I hope he works on that angle and doesn't have too quick a hook with these guys, because I think they are the ones with the best chance to help the Wolves win. Brewer has to be used very sparingly and he needs to be allowed to develop and grow his condfidence as a shooter. There will be plenty of minutes for him to sub in for Gomes when we need a quicker defender and to sub in for McCants when hes just not mentally there on any particular night, but he has to get some confidence and I'd take him along even slower this year than last year. I've changed my tune on Love from yesterday, and not because I think better of his ability, but rather because I think its obvious that Wittman and the rest of the staff think the Al Jefferson should be playing the 5 for most of his minutes on the floor. Collins and Booth will be used when the wolves are playing a dominant big center, but otherwise the Wolves will have to learn to win with a frontcourt that includes Big Al at the five alongside of Gomes and/or Love for the majority of minutes aon any given night. I think it can work and Love just needs to get a feel for his role out on the floor. He'll probably have more bad nights than good, starting out, but eventually he figure out how to be effective next to Big Al in the post as opposing teams gear up to stop him and leave Love uncovered.
Britt Robson10:09am
Oct 24
Really good stuff Andy G. The idea of a ball movement offense seeking its lowest common denominator in Bassy/Brewer/Carney/whoever was what bothered me about the constant message from the sidelines to have Al pass out of the double teams or to not let Shaddy have his head every now and then versus Chicago. What I noticed is that Al in the low block with Gray and a doubler is a better offensive situation than Brewer on the wing with nobody on him. And when the coach cleared the floor of other shooters and let McCants go off in the third period on Wednesday, that's when the Wolves made a run. Was it total coincidence that Shaddy seemed to fade in the 4th, last season and again vs the Bulls Wednesday, and that that's the same quarter that Foye notoriously craves? If not, I'd let Foye have the 4th quarter to run and play, with the strong proviso that he needs to actually work on being a point guard--a job that is tougher than he thinks, obviously--for the previous three periods. If Brewer is out of the starting lineup, that means Brewer and Bassy will often share the court when the second unit comes in. I'll repeat what I said after seeing the team in Mankato--and what I'll write in my Wolves preview on Monday or Tuesday: The solution to getting your high-falutin' draft choices minutes in a productive fashion is to play go-go with a second unit of Bassy, Brewer, Love, McCants and either Smith or Madsen. That gives you the big starting unit that should give opposing defenses fits in the half court, provided Foye can run the plays and recognize the wrinkles. Agree on Harrison. But apparently he got hurt again. I keep saying that Jason Collins is going to be a lot more important to this ballclub that most people realize, and is never discussed when the Memphis trade is analyzed. For anyone who remembers the Wolves' best season, he's Ervin Johnson, another trade "throw in" that was more precious than anticipated.
APB (not verified)12:19pm
Oct 24
Well, remember, last year we had Theo Ratliff and (dang, whats his name from Miami the big white guy) and Wittman was in no hurry to use aither one for extended periods alongside of Al Jefferson. There was also a reluctance to put Chris Richard next to him. I think Al's the Center. There will be times when Maddog might put put in there and he'll slide to the four and maybe even Collins and Booth, too. But I'm willing to bet that this will be a constant cry from fandom asking again why Al is playing most of his minutes at center and pointing to the stats that show him to be most effective at the four. Collins and Booth will be used more often than not to give Al a rest. We saw it last year and I think we've seen the writing on the wall for this year. Likewise the go-go lineup. It would be fun and perhaps we'll see some minimal versions of it, but the best lineups will have Al Jefferson on the floor and hes at the age where he can start playing 36 or more minutes a night. Big Al needs to be out there and there are not enough minutes to send a completely new unit out there for portions of games that don't include him. Brewer and Telfair will have chances to contribute, but for them to get significant minutes they have to show that they can be effective when Al is on the floor, because hes going to be on the floor a lot and he should be. I don't mind Wittman emphasizing to Al (and McCants for that matter) the importance of ball movement and passign out of the double team in the preseason. It meant that he had to choose Brewer, Carney and Telfair alot in the preseason, but in the regular season he can pass out to players who will convert an open shot. When Brewer and Telfair are out there, the ball is going to be passed out to them and Either they hit some of those shots or else they need to get back to the bench asap before the Wolves fall completely out of the game. If they can't be relied on to hit those shots then Al will have Foye, Miller, Gomes, and McCants or Love to pass to. Same goes for Smith or the other Bigs. They have to take advantage of the double team and be ready for some easy slams. I wonder the difference between Collins and Ervin Johson is Big Al vs. KG. This passing thing is something Al is just learning and he plays with his back to the basket, unlike KG. When the Double team comes its easier for him to kick it out to the jumpshooter, than to slip a pass accross the lane to the open big guy for an easy slam. Plus, he gets the ball lower than KG and the Offense around BIg Al requires spacing that makes the defense come from farther away for the double team. Perhaps, Wittman and the staff see a big center next to Al as just clogging up the middle and making it harder for Al to manuever for his shot or for making the pass out to the open shooter.
APB (not verified)12:36pm
Oct 24
Another reason Ervin Johnson worked better with that lineup than Collins will with this year's Wolves is the PG. Sam Cassell was running the PnR with KG and if the opposing team's center cheated to help Sam could make the quick pass. Not only are is AL not a P-n-R player, Foye probably doesn't make that pass. Earlier with KG Hudson or Brandon would run the P-n-R with Rasho or Smith and make KGs man slide over to help which left the PG the option of passing it to KG. Big Al is just so different than KG and the same rules don't apply.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)01:00pm
Oct 24
I think Britt's referring to Collins' and Johnson's similarities defensively. However, your point about the differences between KG and Al apply here. I underrated the effect KG had defensively with the Wolves. With that said, I can see how Collins will provide an anchor defensively. He's not any worse as a player now than he was 3 years ago, and his stats are horrible. Despite those things, he was a constant starter for the Nets during their good years, and they extended his contract for mid-level money. Most people look at the stats, but his teammates were complimentary of his defensive abilities.
APB (not verified)03:59pm
Oct 24
I agree with Britt and everyone else that the Wolves will be challenged on the defensive end whenever Al is playing center against big frontcourts. I think we went all year last year wondering why Al was put in the center spot when Ratliff was available and also why Doleac (when Ratliff was hurt) and Richard were never paired next to him except against Houston and a couple of other teams with big opposing centers. From what I could tell of the preseason, I think this year will be much the same with the exception that they will have an option to bring in Love to play the 4 for another option of a big player to play alongside Al when hes the center. As long as Gomes is not matched against a quick small forward, the frontcourt of Gomes/Love/Al might be big enough if they can play as a team. I think there will be games when Collins will get a lot of playing time, he'll even probably start a few games, but I think the Wolves coaching staff is willing to give up this advantage to teams on the defensive end knowing that Al will get his points on the offensive end, especially if he can pass out of the double team to players who can hit open shots. They had the chance last year to see how Al Jefferson would do with a defensive minded center and they chose to let him go to Detroit. I don't know how this year is any different. I don't think they'll give Collins much of a chance.
Andy G (not verified)04:34pm
Oct 24
You're probably right--we had a chance to take DeAndre Jordan with a 2nd Round pick and passed. We then brought in David Harrison and opted to go for Cal Booth, presumably in the interest of saving a $1 Mil buyout. I think there needs to be some shock-treatment to this idiotic philosophy, so I wouldn't mind seeing Oden go for a couple 20-20 games against us in November. It's crystal clear that this problem needs to be addressed, but we keep deferring it. Last night, Dan Gadzurich was looking pretty imposing on the glass. I haven't followed his career very closely, but I don't think he's considered much of a force. Anyway, there's not enough length up front. It'll haunt us when we're a lottery team, and again (and more noticeably) if and when we're a playoff team. At some point, we need to commit to a center.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)07:12pm
Oct 24
To be fair, they have been starting Madsen often enough this preseason to indicate that they'll use him during the season. Last night, the difference was that the Bucks don't have a penetrating guard and they play Charlie Villanueva, a perimeter-oriented player, at the 4. I'd rather have Jefferson cover Gadzuric, but he and others needed to rebound better. I agree with the sentiment, though, that they need a taller or bigger or higher-jumping player as an option. I don't think a lack of a center is a huge deal any more: Cleveland, Houston, both LA teams, New Jersey, Phoenix, Portland, and Washington are really the only teams who'll start true centers.
Rascall Flatts (not verified)08:20pm
Oct 24
I totally agree that they need length that can come in one of two forms: A tall, rangy PF in the mold of 'Sheed Wallace or KG that can provide weakside defense whilst also covering some of the more athletic PFs OR they need a legit 7-footer that can anchor things in the paint and provide the last line of defense when our perimeter D faulters. I think whoever this person ultimately is joins in with Love and Jefferson to formulate a 3-man PF/C rotation, except in small-ball circumstances where a guy like Gomes plays some PF. Guys like Smith, Madsen, and Richard should become obsolete when we find this person. There is one guy in particular we should all keep a very close eye on this college season, because he could help solve our problem in a big way: Hasheem Thabeet of UConn. He's raw, but the dude is a 7"3 gifted shotblocker that changes the way teams play offense against that team. His poor hands and fledgling offensive repetoire isn't as much of a concern with Love and Jefferson around and may be enough of a weakness to allow him to slip to where we'll be drafting, likely in that 5-8 range. The issue of length on our frontline would be solved in one fell swoop.
Andy G (not verified)01:01pm
Oct 24
We'll find out very soon if we need an Ervin Johnson-type in the lineup. San Antonio - Nov. 5 Portland - Nov. 8 Portland - Nov. 15 By Nov. 16, we'll be 8 games into the season, and probably have a much-better idea of what our front line needs to look like. In the Portland games especially, I'll be interested to see if and how we're able to pull down enough rebounds to stay in the game.
APB (not verified)01:54pm
Oct 24
As I said, it will be the constant cry from out here. San Antonio and, probably Portland too (perhaps even more so with Oden - although, I don't think Oden will be an all star let alone an MVP. I think he's injury prone and the NBA season long grind will be even harder on him than Shaq) will reveal the downside of playing Al at the center. I even think that when Al plays on the Wolves team that makes the playoffs, he'll be paired with a very good center while he plays the 4. But, they'll have a true point guard as well. For this year though, they have to learn to play with Al as the Center and find the players around him that give the Wolves the best chance to win over 30 games. If Collins starts, then you have to start Telfair and run set plays involving more players than Al. It isn't just going to be pound the ball into Al. It might work and it might even be better than Foye as your point guard, but its Foye's job to lose for now and with Foye running the show, you need shooters on the floor with him and not players that require the PG to find players for shots that only they can hit such as Collins on the block as his man cheats to Al or Brewer slashing off a backcut. I think with Big Al and Foye you keep the game simple and I also think that can be effective, just not effective against some teams with big and mobile centers.
antonymous (not verified)12:07pm
Oct 24
I also noticed Bassy, Brewer, and Carney standing at the end of some of our ball rotations, and that's not a very promising option. How many 2008 playoff teams out there have a guard or swingman that you can just leave open on the perimeter? I count the Celtics (Rondo), Nuggets (AC), and Sixers (Miller) - and we're just not in the same weight class as those teams. I hope Brewer and Carney find ways to contribute that don't involve standing near the 3-point line, or it's time for a Foye, McCants, Miller backcourt. I think Love will come around a bit - he may not jump out of the gym, but he does have good body control and a touch that will return once he adjusts to NBA pace. I'm tempering my hopes on him until the season gets underway. Also - general question for anyone else who was watching the game last night - why did we stop pounding the ball to Al? Are we trying to get the kinks out of our perimeter shooting or something? Al had like 10 points midway through the first, and the next thing I know we're winging the ball around the perimeter, looking for angles and making bad decisions. I know it's nice to get everyone involved, and that Al isn't the best passer when they send doubleteams, but I'm a believer in feeding the beast until the other team reacts, but it seems like we went away from him for no reason.

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