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The Three Pointer: Great Coverage, A Ref Scandal, and, Oh Yeah, A Basketball Game

NBA Finals, Game #3: Boston 81, Los Angeles 87

Series to date: Boston 2-1

1. Superb Coverage

In all my years of watching NBA basketball, I can't remember more incisive and illuminating commentary about the game than we got last night from Jeff Van Gundy and his cohorts on ABC and ESPN. The general purpose of these Three Pointers has always been to leave the obvious stuff alone and analyze the matchups and strategic flow of the game in a little more depth. But almost everything I was noticing as the game unfolded--and more--was being identified on the fly by JVG and, to a lesser extent, Mark Jackson and Michael Breen. And what stray pieces remained after that were cleaned up by the postgame interviews with the coaches and the studio analysis of Michael Wilbon and Jon Barry.

Right out of the gate, the crew highlighted that Phil Jackson had decided to match Kobe up to guard Rajon Rondo, and then correctly surmised that the cross-matchup at the other end--either Rondo having to guard Kobe or Ray Allen having to locate him in transition--was a significant motivation for Jackson's decision. Similarly, when Rondo went down with a slight ankle sprain and Celtic coach Doc Rivers (finally!) went with Eddie House instead of Sam Cassell, the crew poinhted out that the subsequent Celtic run was due to the better spacing House provided as a lethal long-range shooter, opening up the paint for Kevin Garnett to operate.

Van Gundy was in a zone. On the Celtics out-of-bounds play under the basket in the final 1.3 seconds of the first period, he said "Usually [in this instance] you want a cutter to the basket and a shooter going to the strong side." Bingo. The Celtics had a man cut hard toward the hoop to draw down the defense, then had a strong side pick to free up three-point shooter James Posey for a trey. Then there was Van Gundy's explanation of why the pull-up jumper is such a difficult shot, citing Kobe and Ray Allen as on-the-spot examples. Then, as the Lakers began to gather momentum in the 4th period, Van Gundy flatly announced that he would "trap Kobe on every possession." This dramatized Rivers' failure to do that, not only making JVG look smart and prescient, but alerting even casual viewers about the silliness of leaving Allen hanging out to dry guarding Kobe in single coverage. Finally, Van Gundy understands that he's a basketball nerd who looks like the guy who always got picked on by the bullies and ignored by the beauties growing up, and plays on that for comic relief. His halftime comment that of all the celebrities at the game, the one he'd most want to meet is Alyssa Milano ("If I was Nick Lachey I'd never let her out of my sight!") was hilarious.

Mark Jackson necessarily suffers by comparison. Too often he either states the obvious or says something of questionable merit to back up a point he wants to make in the immediate circumstance. Claiming that Kevin Garnett isn't a very good jump shooter and is far more effective in the low block, for example. Yeah, KG needed to operate down low far more often last night, but not because he can't stick the midrange jumper--his recent shooting struggles are a significant aberration. Jackson also unleashes groaners like "Jordan Farmar is a starting point guard in this league," which damns Farmar with hyperbolic praise. But Jackson has his moments, like last night when he was the only one to point out that the "effective screens" JVG was praising KG for setting were illegal--a contention borne out by Garnett being called for a moving screen that was almost exactly the same as the one he'd set when Jackson mentioned it.

Looking at the notes I'd jotted to myself after the game, one of the few things left was that nobody'd mentioned how putting Kobe on Paul Pierce had helped shut Pierce down--and then Phil Jackson mentioned it in the postgame. (The great D by Vujacic on Ray Allen which enabled the Kobe-on-Pierce coverage was about all the slim pickins I had left.) But when studio host Stuart Scott asked Wilbon why Pierce shot so horribly, Wilbon didn't simply parrot Jackson; he also echoed his colleague Jon Barry's smart, succinct comments about the difficulty of east to west travel (Jackson also brought up this point but Barry, as a recent player, put more meat on the bone about it) and also added his own analysis that the early foul trouble Pierce found himself in contributed to his woes. It was a great blend of cherrypicking the wisdom of others and adding your own insight makes the slam-dunk case for why Wilbon is way better than the guy he replaced, screamin' Steve Smith.

2. The Donaghy Stink Isn't Going Away 

As if Van Gundy wasn't already having a fabulous night, disgraced and crooked referee Tim Donaghy verified his conspiracy theory from 2005. Back then, Van Gundy was fined a whopping $100,000 for claiming that the refs unfairly targeted his center, Yao Ming, for various infractions in response to pressure from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. Through his attornies, Donaghy--incensed that the NBA calimed it spent $1 million investigating his unsavory associations, gambling debts, and potential fixing of games, a claim that could lengthen his jail sentence and perhaps compel restitution--essentially backed up JVG's claims in detail. Interviewed at halftime about the matter, Van Gundy expertly walked the line between covering the NBA's ass and yelling "I told ya so." He castigated Donaghy for his transgressions and pointed out that they give the ref little credibility, especially as he angles for a lighter sentence. But he also reiterated that the league needs total transparency when it comes to these backroom complaints and, more significantly, how the league decides to respond to them.

The Van Gundy/Cuban dust-up from 2005 was actually small potatoes compared to Donaghy's other contention: That two of the three refs (Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney and Ted Bernhardt) working Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals were NBA "company men," who, at the direction of the league, went out of their way to officiate the game in a manner that would boost the Lakers over the Sacramento Kings. The officiating in that game was notoriously atrocious, to the point where then-Kings' coach Rick Adelman bitterly complained about it after the game and many people only half-heartedly wondered if the fix was in.

I know that Donaghy is not to be trusted, and that if he was going to inaccurately allege that refs beside himself were crooked, that Lakers-Kings game would be a strategically wise one to cite. But Commissioner David Stern cannot wish this one away, or cite previous FBI investigations into the matter. First of all, an entire, separate tribunal similar to the Mitchell Commission regarding steroids in baseball needs to be established, complete with subpeona power, and all doubts and controversies on this subject need to be exposed and examined. The stain and the stink are already out there, and the NBA needs to regain their credibility and good name with scrutiny that should err on the side of overkill. Remember, even as Stern castigates Donaghy for being a criminal trying to save his own skin, the league is also now proven guilty for creating an environment that allowed a compromised Donaghy to operate, and influence, many games, including playoff games. In light of Donaghy's detailed, shocking charges, how is the NBA any different in trying to save its own skin by simply denigrating him?

Even as the investigation takes place, Stern (or the person who replaces him) should take Phil Jackson's advice and divorce itself from any influence over or connection to its officiating crews. That the league office has authority over the refs severely compromises its ability to investigate and judge any allegations made by Donaghy that the league influence referee conduct in the first place.

3. Leftovers

After making a bad coaching mistake subbing Trevor Ariza first off the bench in Game Two, Jackson redeemed himself with the Kobe-Rondo matchup and also by calling plays for troubled Lamar Odom twice in key second-half situations coming out of time-outs last night. Odom hit the first one and had enough penetration to enable Pau Gasol to get the putback on the second one. Jackson knows he's not going to win this series if both Odom and Gasol remain in a funk. Right now Odom is the more significant problem. He's resorting to attempted slam dunks on missed shots long after the refs have blown the play dead, cheapskate macho that's even worse than KG's, is a pickpocket's delight every time he puts the ball on the floor, and has become a foul machine because he's not thinking clearly--"confused," as Jackson put it. Those two plays out of the timeouts were designed to buck him up, and the Gasol putback made it a two-fer on the confidence-rebuilding front.

I am thoroughly aware of the reasons why the Kobe-Rondo and then the House counter were both relatively effective. But did it really have to happen that way? Mark Jackson seemed to think it would be a terrible thing having Rondo be aggressive with his own shot as Kobe sloughs off him to play center field or double Pierce, claiming Boston doesn't want to rely on its "fourth or fifth option." But an unguarded Rondo is a decent first or second option. He shot 49.2% during the regular season, and even his playoff accuracy of 41.4% is better than what the team's other two point guards, Cassell and House, are shooting, and that's with people guarding them. Which brings up the second point: Why not keep sloughing off the point guard and doubling KG in the low block even with House in the game? He shot 2-8 FG (admittedly, he was 2-3 from beyond the arc), so why not see if you can keep frustrating the Big 3 and make Eddie House beat you? Because guarding House out on the perimeter obviously helped get KG off. It reminds of all the times one coach will go big or small, and rather than seeing which way the deliberate mismatch turns, the opposing coach subs in the corresponding bigs and smalls to match up. If the situation(s) repeats itself in Game Four, hopefully the Celts will allow Rondo to go off, and the Lakers will dare House to beat them.

Count me among those who think this was a moral victory for the Celts. Their Big 3 was 1-12 FG in the first period and the score was tied. Pierce and Garnett were terrible from start to finish and they still nearly pulled it out. If you're a Laker fan, you can argue that Gasol and Odom likewise stank up the joint and the Lakers prevailed regardless, but on the basis of the first three games, who is more likely to bounce back to vintage form, Pierce/KG or Gasol/Odom?

Just moments after Mark Jackson commented that Farmar and Vujacic were in a bit of a tiff over who should be controlling the basketball in the half court, Farmar clanked a long trey off the front iron. It's the latest in a long line of reasons why I'm not a Farmar fan. But he and Sasha have more guts than brains, and both need to defer to Kobe more often, but when one of them has the hot hand, Laker fans should hope the other has the good sense to nourish it rather than horn in.

Those who said the refs would call a "makeup" game in favor of the Lakers after the free throw disparity in favor of the Celts had ammunition for their argument after LA traipsed to the line 14 times in the first quarter alone. And yeah, overall I noticed a *slight* bias in the calls in favor of the Lakers, especially early. And as Wilbon pointed out, that may have compounded Pierce's lack of rhythm, just as quick whistles on Kobe deterred his momentum in Game Two. But my take is that the calls were more even-handed last night than they were in Game Two, and that the refs didn't decide the outcome of Game Two, let alone Game Three. And I do think Doc Rivers got in a clever dig at Jackson during the postgame last night when he claimed he was happy Jackson didn't come in whining about the foul disparity this time.

23 Reader Comments

Captain America (not verified)03:11pm
Jun 11
It would be much more pleasant to listen to broadcasts when Mark Jackson learns not to use the same tired lines over-and-over again. How far the Lakers come back is largely in the hands of one player...no, not Kobe but Lamar Odom. He has the ability to drive the defense down in the paint and then kick out to Laker shooters, but he is so foul-prone that he reduces his ticks. Gasol is gun shy under the basket and game 3 made is even more obvious. Perkins and KG have reduced Gasol into a toe-tapping big man in the paint. Grow some... Of KG, he really should be playing for the Patriots with his moving screens. Funny the refs should call him for it at the end of the game when he had been driving his tackle dummies back throughout the game. Speaking of tainted former refs, Donaghy and his lawyers can try to reek damage on the NBA but the League is bigger than them; much bigger.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)03:27pm
Jun 11
I don't think any of these games have had anything approaching bias or fixed reffing. What I do think is that they are predictable on par with things that *are* fixed, like WWE. They are consistently inconsistent to such an effect that I would bet large sums of money that people who bet large sums of money are very interested in who refs what games almost as much as what team wears the home threads. The closest analogy I can come up with is that the refs are about as predictable for the home team as a political blog is for its presidential candidate of choice. While the blog is ostensibly independent, it is predisposed to act in a certain way and it runs in circles where its thoughts and actions are reinforced. It also gets press releases directly from the campaigns. Again: not a conspiracy, but you know which way the toy will tumble when it's wound up. Back to the NBA, the issue here is consistency. When Mr. Barry gets clubbed by Derrick Fischer at the end of the game, it needs to be called like it's happening with 8:12 gone in the 1st quarter. When Kobe takes 4 steps before taking off and making an amazing circus shot, it needs to be called like it's Eddie House getting a running start. When KG yells the f-bomb and slams the ball it needs to be treated in the same manner as if Craig Smith just let r' rip (to say nothing of his moving screens and traveling moves). If the NBA was consistent with its calls, the reffing wouldn't be so predictable....if that makes sense.
Britt Robson04:28pm
Jun 11
What you three--all highly respected by me for your past comments on a variety of topics--are saying is heartening to me, but frankly I'm more skeptical. I totally agree with how hard it is to officiate pro hoops, and very much endorsed the "arguing" technicals that occurred for about three weeks at the beginning of the season a few years ago and then faded to the currently annoying status quo. But I also know that, to choose just one example, Phoenix lost players for going on the court last year; this year, players went on the court and there were no suspensions. In short, I agree with Van Gundy on the need for total transparency. And I don't see the harm in a Mitchell-style commission. Maybe there are two or three other crooked refs that the majority of upstanding refs would love to get rid of. I just don't think you can minimize any fan's capacity for self-denial. Hey, I'm a pretty big baseball fan and I somehow didn't notice how huge all the players were getting during the 90s--seriously, I'd look at ESPN classic and see all these scrawny baseball stars and think, "wow, players work out year-round now and take various dietary supplements and it really makes a difference." I figured a few players were juiced--but not nearly as many as I do now when I look back on that time. Crooked officiating beyond Donaghy would be a huge blow to the NBA. But I think these allegations and the legitimate things that have been uncovered about Donaghy, plus the inconsistencies like the "no leaving the bench" rule that crop up in one form or another every year or two all point to a suspicious environment, if not downright favortism and game-rigging. Tell me folks, what would be the harm in a massive, thorough investigation to determine whether or not the NBA is clean?
Jim (not verified)05:18pm
Jun 11
My understanding is that the NBA hired an outside lawyer to do an internal investigation of its officials after Donaghy was arrested. That's what the $1 million the NBA wants back from Donaghy was used for. Stern said yesterday the results of that investigation — which concluded Donaghy was a"rouge" bad apple — will be made available after Donaghy gets his sentence. Some people will say the league office simply cooked up whatever the investigation found, but what would prevent people from saying the same thing if the league went with a full on Mitchell report style investigation that found nothing? All it would do is create a circus around the league that in all probability is not warranted. I'm not a Stern apologist. I think the league should make the refs more accessible and available to the media to explain their jobs and how/why certain calls are made. But unlike in baseball, which had wild upswings in power stats during the steroid era, there's no credible evidence NBA refs/execs have engaged in inappropriate behavior trying to get certain match-ups, outcomes and TV ratings. It's just one guy who is an admitted fraud.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)05:32pm
Jun 11
The problem here isn't just one disgruntled ref. That's the NBA's line and quite frankly, it doesn't carry a lot of weight anymore, especially with the *specific* charges brought about by Donaghy. Blanket denials aren't going to cut it anymore. The problem is that you have a climate where even die-hard fans can fathom the idea that the outcomes of certain games have been decided in a less than honest fashion. If the NBA is going to bitch and moan about gold chains and cornrows being an image issue, than surely they need to show some stones and act in a manner that fits the relative scale between perceived threats to the way people perceive the game. An independent investigation is the *least* they can do right now. Britt hits on it with his comments about the leaving the bench inconsistencies, but the questions about the NBA's involvement in the outcome of its games goes above and beyond Donaghy. They are micro matters of consistent calls all the way up to macro ones of questionable trades, changes to the CBA in years that favor major market teams, and league support for stadiums in some areas (SacTown) but not others (Seattle). I don't think the league is malicious in any of their actions; they are going after the highest dollar. However, when money is placed at the highest altar, you're going to have to make some sacrifices and sooner or later these sacrifices add up in the form of gaps between what the game is said to be and what the game actually is. Imagine that: a bunch of rich guys doing whatever they can to make more money regardless of the fallout. Who'da thunk it? The NBA had this problem with or without Donaghy. He's just the guy who threw the goods into the lion's den.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)05:35pm
Jun 11
PS: To answer Britt's question, there's no harm in investigating the hell out of this. The product is already under question. The reason I suspect why they won't is because the league is probably littered with Clay Bennett-esque emails that would make it appear as if the league had the fix in for certain teams. It's a pretty hard thing to prove that the fix *wasn't* in when the problem has been so obvious for such a long time and you've had games like Game 6 of the 2002 WCF. With or without transparency, the owners and the league office will look like the greedy, rich a-holes they are.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)06:31pm
Jun 12
The thing that bothers me is Stern's smugness with all situations. His handling of the Sonics situation and his calculated response to Donaghy's statement when he repeatedly called Donaghy a felon show a guy who backs the profit motive and the owners.
Andy G (not verified)03:30pm
Jun 11
It's hard to judge anything Donaghy says until it's further investigated and the context of the statements are more fully drawn out, but from the early reports, I don't think they are credible. I think a more believable allegation would have had more games, and more games that were not obviously bad reffing. If he started rattling off random playoff games that nobody remembers, it would evidence a systematic approach by the league to enhance the playoff viewing. It just seems stupid to risk all league credibility to get one good series to a seventh game, instead of six. (If they planned on extending that series by corruption, they sure had faith in Big Shot Bob in Game 4). Like most fans, I really wanted Sactown to win that series, but the main disappointments I remember are letting Horry get that damn 3-pointer off, and missing way too many foul shots in the OT Game 7 loss. Also, I can hardly remember a Finals series going seven games (Detroit-SA comes to mind quickly, but that's about it in recent years). Why wouldn't they want those going the distance as much as one Western Conference Finals? Wouldn't Michael Jordan in his last Finals be an unbelievable ratings boost? If so, maybe call a push-off that ended the series in 6. I think the league has major reffing problems, and Donaghy's involvement in gambling and the mafia are incredible. Star-treatment is unbelievably obvious, especially in regular season games. When LA came to town this year, Kobe got Brewer three fouls before he broke a sweat, and if the situations were reversed, they probably wouldn't have blown the whistle once. However, playoff series-rigging is a whole 'nother beast and has nothing to do with the respect certain players have earned over their careers. As upset as I was watching the first half of Game 2, I doubt it had anything to do with the league office, and a whole lot to do with one crew being terrible at their job. The fact that each game will now be monitored closely by fans, checking the foul shot totals is unfortunate, but probably justified. The only nice thing is that, aside from Phil Jackson after Game 2, we haven't heard much from players and coaches. Kobe made a little crack about how it was nice to get to the line, and Rivers' made his remark (that made no sense, since Sasha getting more foul shots than KG is different than 10th man Powe out-attempting an entire roster) but both sides seem much more concerned with their own play than the refs.
Jim (not verified)03:38pm
Jun 11
I don't think the league needs to go "Mitchell report style" in investigating Donaghy. The guy wants to shorten his prison sentence and there is no other evidence additional officials were crooked. As for hiring an independent organization to oversee officials, it wouldn't solve anything because people could claim Stern controlled whoever was watching the refs. The bottom line is NBA refs, and basketball refs in general, are in a no win situation. They have the hardest jobs of any sports' officials and are subject to much, much more grief and over analysis from coaches, players and fans. We all can point to badly called games, but that's true in all sports. The nature of basketball means more judgment calls and a lot of paranoia. I continue to believe that NBA refs make the correct calls the vast majority of the time, despite whatever Lakers apologists or conspiracy theorists say. If anything, the league needs to crack down on the constant complaining/whining/preening that goes on after whistles. It just creates an environment where people think the refs are trying to screw certain people over when the truth is 99.9 percent of refs are calling it as best they can.
JPFnotJPK (not verified)04:51pm
Jun 11
Well said, sir. I'd Pos. Rep you if I could. Internet lingo is weird. Alright, good talk.
Andy B (not verified)04:32pm
Jun 11
Of course someone should be investigating the allegations by Donaghy. If Stern and the NBA were smart they would hire some independent source to investigate his allegations and submit its report to the world. They should be as open as possible about it. The fact that Donaghy will get a reduced sentence has nothing to do with whether or not his allegations are true. The fact he was a NBA ref means he had access to some privilege information that most of us don't have. Most of us only watch the games. Obviously, Donaghy's character suffers and any allegation he makes suffers because of it. But, if his allegations and the evidence he provides can be supported by more evidence, then the NBA has a problem. When Donaghy was arrested I had a feeling this was going to stink and was more than just "one bad ref." I love basketball and I love NBA basketball the most because of the great athletes. But, like any sport, you want credibility. You not only want there to be proof that the outcome has not been fixed, you don't even want the notion that there is a possibility it was fixed to enter into your head. Normally when it comes to people and life I am an optimist that likes to believe that people are inherently good. But, when it comes to business, there is no such thing as good or bad. It is about profits. And when owners know there is oversight, they will not exploit rules to make a bigger profit because there is a risk that they wil be caught breaking the rules and the profit will not only be less, but there is also a risk of a loss. All one has to know about this is the Taylor/Mchale attempt to skirt the rules to sign Joe Smith. The Target Center being empty means much more than wins and losses for Glen Taylor. The same goes for every owner and what is good for the league is, in this global age of marketing, good for every owner. All teams want to have the superstar and want to be in the finals, but if they are not there they are smart enough to know that their bottom line is also affected by who is left standing at the end of playoffs. The money Magic and Bird and then Jordan made for NBA owners was monumental. They turned the league around. When profits and greed is involved I am a cynic and the Donaghy allegations make me sick. Not sick to death of Donaghy, but of the chance that my passion for sport and basketball has possibly been exploited. IT IS NOT CONSPIRACY, to want or wish for a thorough investigation to put to rest these allegations especially when we just had two big trades to the storied franchises, questionable calls in the playoffs, owners who want to make money, Chicago winning the lottery, the two storied teams now in the finals and likely a seven game series and stagnant growth of NBA fans over the past couple of years of San Antonio finals with Detroit and Cleveland. Investigation and oversight. That is all this fan of a Minnesota franchise wants when hoping for another chance at the playoffs and playing the larger market teams like LA. The point is not that there is not a preponderance of evidence proving Donaghy's allegations as true. You don't need a prepondarance of evidence to shed doubt on the outcomes of NBA games and destroy its crecibility. All you need is a small shard of evidence. That is why, if the Owners care about the league, they will demand an investigation and take precautions not to let a Donaghy into the league again and lower the risk for anything like what he alleges to ever happen in the future to such a low chance that it rarely enters in the mind of even the most skeptical fans. But, fans are passionate because we are human. What makes me hesitant to dismiss any conspiracy is the crowds desire to dismiss an allegation or charge because someone labels it a conspiracy theory. I have always believe that the crowd is more likely to be wrong than right under most circumstances. If it is possible to happen and someone can exploit, dismiss or break the rules to their benefit (profit and/or power) to make it happen, it will happen. Not just in basketball, but in politics and life. The fact that there will be no investigation and that it quietly goes away in the next couple of months is not evidence that nothing happened. It is just evidence that the crowd doesn't want to know the ugly truth of what really happened.
JPFnotJPK (not verified)04:48pm
Jun 11
Britt - Thank you for the levelheaded handling of the Donoghy situation and the Referring in these games.
antonymous (not verified)05:17pm
Jun 11
First off, if you all haven't read Truehoop today, check out today's entry on a full-time NBA gambler. In cases like this, I think gambling acts as the canary in the coal mine - often the first indication of trouble. If this guy is trying to get out of NBA-level gambling after making a good living for several years, that's not a good sign. Plus, let's keep in mind that picking a team to win or cover the spread is not how most professional gamblers make money. There's always over/under on total points (which is what Donaghy did - calling numerous fouls to bump up point totals by sending players to the line). And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Ralph freakin' Nader himself called for an investigation into the 2002 WCF back in the day. The only thing that's truly gets rid of mold is sunlight. We need to look long and hard at games where there are "statistical aberrations" and search for patterns that suggest foul play. One of the great things about the "information age" is the whopping amount of data that's out there, but one of the great challenges is fitting it together to make sense. To me, that's the only way the NBA can maintain its legitimacy.
b (not verified)05:20pm
Jun 11
I think Van Gundy is doing great color during this series. His breakdown of X's and O's and intricacies of the game add a lot to the broadcast and allow people like me who have a shallow understanding of the game see more and enjoy more. This is what commentary "should" be and it is for these same reasons that I read "The Three Pointer." I had been waiting for Kobe to be dominating and I was thrilled to see it at last in the Finals. I'm very disappointed in the play of Gasol and Odom, to this point. These comments lead me to something I know you don't like, Britt, but I'm going to ask about anyway: NBA draft speculation. After watching a good amount of college hoops this season as well as following the T'Wolves all year I am very intrigued with the position that the Wolves find themselves in. The two players they are ostensibly choosing between at the 3rd pick seem to be reflected in good and bad lights in their current pro comparisons playing in this year's Finals: O. J. Mayo has been touted as a Kobe/Pierce type player who can create his own shot at any time and carry a team offensively and play hard, aggressive D and Brook Lopez who has the touch and finesse of Pau Gasol but is not cowed in the face of physicality like Gasol seems to be this series - Lopez, rather, seems to also have a physical tenacity, but not the athleticism, of players like KG, Pierce, and Kendrick Perkins. On the down side, Kobe got to where he is through a combination of god-given talent and tenacious work. Mayo is talented and seems to have worked hard, but how high is his ceiling? Will he just be O. K.? Likewise with Lopez: he is tenacious and has skills, but is he ever going to be more than a pretty good player? With these things in mind as well as the state of rebuild the Wolves are in, should the Wolves concern themselves at all with greatest need since they have so many glaring ones? Should they simply select based on whoever they think has the biggest upside or can they factor in who they think the better compliment to Al and possibly Foye is? Personally, I think either would be a good selection but O. J. is too good to pass up, or has the possibility to be too good to pass up. I know speculation is difficult but based on what we've seen in this series, do you think it's more important to have a skilled center who is physically unshy (unlike Gasol, to this point) or a shot maker you can run an offense through even if there are other talented skill players like Kobe, Pierce, and Allen?
antonymous (not verified)07:43pm
Jun 11
The main benefit of getting Lopez is to put Al back to his natural position. The cost is spending such a high pick on a relatively low-ceiling player. I think that centers should be acquired either later in the draft or via trades / free agency. I think with the third pick you go with overall talent and that's OJ. When you have as many needs as the Wolves do, a scorer like Mayo masks many of those problems. I also think we'll get one quality player in the second round who very well may be a center. I've come around on Mayo personally - he's dealt with lots of criticism throughout the season regarding his "character" despite numerous accounts to the contrary. Now, it looks like Beasley is facing similar reports regarding his maturity yet does not even attempt to dispel them.
Cheezy B (not verified)10:30pm
Jun 11
I also have come around to Mayo. If Beasley and Rose get taken above us then we take Mayo, I think it has become simple. Jerryd Bayless also looks nice, I need more to pick between the two. I think Bayless and Mayo have solidified a second tier of talent. The top four BPAs are set in my mind. I stumbled across this guy while scouring the internet for NBA offseason info. Jeff Foster of the Indiana Pacers. 6-11 Center, Athletic, In the last year of his contract (paying 6.1 million I believe), Great Rebounder, Apparently can knock down an open shot. http://www.indycornrows.com/2008/6/5/546846/player-review-jeff-foster Ignore all the sappy stuff the Indy fan writes about how he should go to a contender. I'm sure Indiana is looking to move this guy. He's not the solution at Center but he could be a stop-gap.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)07:03am
Jun 12
I've been saying it since December: all of you need to learn to love Mr. Love. :)
Cheezy B (not verified)07:23am
Jun 12
Damnit I thought I made a good discovery, why you gotta steal my thunder.
stop-n-pop (not verified)07:59am
Jun 12
:) Foster is a nice player. I remember watching a game this year where Hubie Brown couldn't stop gushing about him. He's one of those uber role players that really make the good teams go. He has San Antonio or NOLA written all over him.
b (not verified)10:04pm
Jun 12
Earlier in the year, I didn't see Brook Lopez play much but heard he had a solid all-around game. Then I saw him play in the PAC 10 season, in the PAC 10 tournament and in the NCAA Tournament. Watching Lopez play I saw something that I think gives him a higher ceiling than the conventional wisdom says: he is tenacious. His skills have never been in question: he has long range, nearly out to NBA three, but also has good post skills. He doesn't have dominant or explosive athleticism but is adequate and is not a plodder. His defense and rebounding are raw. Halfway through the season I thought he would be a player like what we've seen out of Pau Gasol in the Finals: A tall, skilled center who doesn't have much of a physical game. But now I believe that he has the drive and toughness to be a good NBA center if he can round out his game. From all accounts he has the desire and work ethic that it takes to be good in the NBA even if it takes a couple years of seasoning on the defense and on the boards. He was also incredibly clutch when the pressure was on and wanted the ball in his hands in key situations. Paul Allen (the self-professed "Great NBA Mind") thinks Lopez will eventually become a top 5 center. I can't speculate like that, but I like Lopez a lot. As you say, Lopez would be a great compliment to Al and would solidify the front court. Lopez would also help make up for the atrocious perimeter D that the Wolves displayed last year even though his defense is not dominating. He will also present other teams with problems by having both a post game and the range to make force his defender to step out or make them pay. A big question is his passing. He will need to pass to coexist with Big Al. But as you also say, I believe Mayo fills more holes. Mayo is a big guard who can facilitate an offense, can score on his own and create his own shot, can post up smaller guards and is a very good defender. The need for a defensive force at center is alleviated by better perimeter D: Mayo could match up with any of the guards from last year and compensate for their weaknesses (on offense handle the ball if matched with McCants, Jaric or Brewer and play off the ball and score if paired with Foye and Telfair on defense be able to matchup against any type of guard). I also think Mayo could be a better compliment to Al offensively whether that be in the screen and roll game or making teams pay that double down on Al.
Anonymous (not verified)05:56pm
Jun 11
• I’ve got to defer to you on KG but as long as I’ve been watching him, I’ve been happy when he takes those jumpers against the Lakers, especially as games got late, or playoff series got late, and nervousness sets in. A skittish put will miss by less than a skittish long iron shot and he seems to get skittish. The only way to really know is a lifetime shot chart and shot % by distance, so its just an exchange if impressions. And my impression is that my only worry when he shoots those in the second half is that he’ll clank it so hard, the rebound is tough to corral. • Yesterday’s game again illustrates how silly the assist stat is. While homers hand them off after 80 foot drives or after a players, move, counter and jump shot, Kobe got 1 assist yesterday. That despite that nearly every open Laker shot came after he held the ball, drew Celtics and then. A typical sequence was their penultimate score, when the Celts trapped Kobe at the half court, 45 feet from the basket, and he waved a napping Lamar over and tossed one over KG and Allen. Taking 5 seconds to realize he was playing 4 on 3, Lamar finally passed it to a wide open man. Kobe’s floor generalship was not reflected on any statistic. • The last point I’d like to make is Kobe Bryant is awesome with emphasis on awe. (1) Kobe is leading a team with no player (besides him) having multiple star appearances against a Celtics team with 3 repeat all stars (and 3 probable hall of famers); (2) Kobe is facing one of the better defenses in recent memories, one that shades him, packs the lane against him and a instructs the All Star guarding him to ignore the drive and just contest his jump shot; (3) his teammates are wilting; and (4) 2 out of 3 games were played on the road. And what has he done? Scored 80 points on 69 shots, shot a better % than his regular season average. Since his crappy game 1 followed a 6 day lay-off, he’s shot 53.5%. Wow. Like the rightly praised Van Gundy said, there’s no #2 its just Kobe #1 and Lebron #3.
Chastised (not verified)06:49pm
Jun 11
Sorry, that was my post. Incidentally, the odds of Boston going to the line 28 more times than the Lakers in game 2 is less than 2.6% according to Haralabos Voulgaris (http://myespn.go.com/nba/truehoop)
midlife crisis (not verified)09:30am
Jun 12
I don't think Boston wins, even up 2-1, if KG doesn't start attacking his defender. No one on Boston comes close to stopping him down low, but he refuses to take it. In the first half of the first game, Pierce was passing to KG whenever he could, forcing KG to take the ball at Gasol. Rivers has to get the rest of the team to buy in. Can the Celtics lose if KG posts up 25 times? Granted, at some point Phil would adjust, but with Pierce and a restored Allen, it becomes very difficult to handle if your focus is on defending the post.

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