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Lakers Best in West, Celts Seize Control

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For casual basketball fans who stop by only in the postseason to get their taste of the NBA, the Los Angeles Lakers made their four-outta-five domination of the defending champion (now ex-champion) San Antonio Spurs exceeding simple to understand. MVP Kobe Bryant played exceptional basketball, particularly on the offensive end and especially in the second half, when the aging, dinged up Spurs were most vulnerable. Kobe racked up 52 points (or an average of 10.4) in the first halves of the five games, and 94 (18.8) in the second halves. And yet Bryant has become so talented that this almost effortless 29.2 points per game licking he put on the Spurs probably enhanced the defensive reputation of his primary matchup, Bruce Bowen. Whereas Bowen was beaten, his replacements were embarrassed, casually demolished, unable to even slow Kobe down a little bit, let alone prevent him from proving that this matchup would decide the game in LA's favor without plentiful reinforcements. Kobe's hang times were longer, his dribble penetrations quicker and smoother, his competitive instinct just a tiny bit keener. Best of all for Laker fans, and for Kobe's Laker teammates getting fitted for rings, his conference finals performance wasn't spectacular but clinical, and serious as a heart attack.

Who else on the Lakers had a really good series at both ends of the court? Certainly not the two long, quick, big men, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, nor point guard Derek Fisher. Role players Vlad Radmanovic and Jordan Farmar played better than expected, but neither one averaged double figures in points, or made the Spurs think twice about adjusting their priorities to try and stop them. No, take Kobe out of the equation and this is a 4-1 series the other way, even with Manu Gibobili hobbled.

On the other hand, the Lakers are very long, very quick, and very deep, and defensively, although their focus wandered and their immaturity showed on occasion, their athletic talent and persistent energy frustrated the hell out of San Antonio. Their rotations were rapid and varied, and that speed and unpredictability coupled with their obscuring length effectively robbed more open looks away from the Spurs than either Phoenix or New Orleans had been able to manage in the first two rounds.

It really would have been fun to see this series had Ginobili been at full capacity. In the normal course of events, the likes of Gasol/Odom/Vlad Rad/Turiaf/etc would have thwarted some of Manu's patented kamikaze penetration. And Ginobili's ankle woes likewise would have thwarted some of that penetration even against an ordinary team. But put the two together--the Lakers' interior D and Ginobili's lack of mobility to cut and twist in traffic--and that aspect of the Spurs offense was effectively eliminated. It thus became all about how many treys San Antonio could sink. And while that is an important part of the Spurs' attack, it can't be the meat *and* the potatoes of what they do.

Before we turn to the Celts and Pistons, a few words about the horrible officiating at the end of Game Four, and the equally horrible reactions by the players and commentators.

First of all, I understand it is the final seconds of a crucial playoff game. I understand that Bones Barry didn't "sell the call" by leaping up with a shot attempt into the body of Derek Fisher as Fisher leapt toward him. And I agree that both of these can be mitigating factors that keeps the whistle out of the officials' mouths-- *if* the play and the infraction are a borderline call. But this was a foul, flat out, and to argue that it wasn't is to engage in stupidity or delusion. Derek Fisher jumped into Barry, landed with his hands and elbows on Barry's neck hard enough to buckle his knees and torso and knock him off balance as he tried to dribble his way clear to attempt the shot. Does anyone disagree with that? If you don't call that, then where do you draw the line?

The NBA has a code of honor that you don't whine to or about the refs on a make-or-break play. The problem with having pretty much nothing but former players doing postgame commentary--Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith--is that they don't think rationally because they are following the code. Ditto Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, who obviously didn't want the controversy distracting his team's preparation for Game Five, and obviously instructed his players not to utter a peep of protest or rebuttal over the accuracy of the non-call. Consequently, the three commentators--who looked stricken, as if they were at a funeral, immediately after the game, knowing they'd have to render a judgment on something upon which their heads and hearts disagreed with their eyes--came around to blaming Barry, or patronizing him for "not being in that situation much before." Miller said it was "a good non-call," Barkley actually said that because the Lakers had outplayed the Spurs so thoroughly, the refs were reluctant to award potentially game-winning free throws to San Antonio. Smith at least acknowledged it was a foul, but essentially agreed with Miller.

I actually wrote a long item about this after the game, but it got eaten by the computer and I went to bed. But the gist of my sentiment, then and now, is that the refs swallowed their whistles three times in the final 90 seconds or so, an incompetent display that sets a very bad precedent. First, Tony Parker should have gotten a free throw as Lamar Odom ran through him as they tumbled out of bounds after Odom's goaltended on Parker's layup--that should have been a potential three point play. Second, the Lakers should have gotten a new 24 second clock after their jumper grazed the front iron on the next possession. This would have forced the Spurs to foul to get the ball back, sending the Lakers to the line for two shots. Third, Barry was obviously fouled while he was trying to get in position to shoot, meaning that, with LA over the limit, it was a two-shot foul (this is what the league office ultimately ruled the next day). Add it up and the Spurs should have had three foul shots, the Lakers two. Of course if Parker hits his free throw and/or the Lakes hit their free throws, who knows how that would have affected the final Barry possession. Bottom line, it was a tainted win for the Lakers, who were clearly the better team in this series, and deserved an unblemished demonstration of that.

On to the Celts and the Pistons. Once again, I'm late to the instant commentary party (I'll probably try to rectify that by posting three pointers for games during the Finals), and know that you don't need to hear me repeat kudos for the monster Game Five effort delivered by Kendrick Perkins, or to note Ray Allen's return to accuracy on his jumper. So I'll be a little counterintuitive and instead remind everyone how vital it is to have players delivering consistently strong performances this far into the postseason. That's another reason why Kobe was so obviously the MVP of the Lakers-Spurs series. In the Celts-Pistons matchup, barring any earthshaking, melodramatic development in the next game or two, the hands-down MVP should Kevin Garnett if Boston wins, and Rip Hamilton if Detroit triumphs.

Both KG and Rip play with all-star teammates in lineups that are renowned for spreading the scoring around to at least three players, and yet both are leading their respective teams in scoring by at least 6 points per game. The reason for this is consistency. While Allen or Perkins or even Paul Pierce for Boston, and Billups or McDyess or 'Sheed for Detroit have all had significant dropoffs in production during at least one of the five games that have been played thus far, Garnett and Hamilton keep delivering double-digit totals, while putting up gaudy or at least respectable numbers in other facets of the game such as rebounding, assists, blocks or steals. Each player's opposing coach has burned a lot of brain cells trying to figure out how to deter this high level of production, to no avail. That's impressive, and yet too easily overlooked as we anoint heroes on a game-to-game basis.

That said, there are some fascinating subplots involved as we head into Game Six in Detroit tonight: Will Lindsay Hunter's on-ball defense continue to checkmate the Celts' backup point guards to the degree that Rondo plays nearly the entire game again? And will the Celts finally counter by giving Pierce more play-making and ball-handling responsibilities while Rondo gets a blow? Given the stakes involved--two veteran teams with windows closing on shots at a ring, trying to avoid plummeting from highly successful regular seasons (the two best records in the NBA) to not even reaching the Finals--and the intensity of the suffocating defense each team plays--are the incidences of technicals, flagrants, and controversial non-calls going to continue to rise, and if so, which team keeps its cool? Is Ray Allen back for good this time? Will Flip Saunders continue to ride his veteran starters even if Stuckey is outplaying Billups and Maxiell keeps proving he deserves more burn? Should PJ Brown and Kurt Thomas announce that they won't sign with anybody until February and then again pick the playoff-bound team that is most complementary with what they bring to the table?

My answers: Yes, no, yes, Detroit in Game Six, nearly back but not all the way, yes, and emphatically yes.

I don't see Detroit winning two straight--remember, the Celts, like the Lakers, have never been behind in a series during this postseason--but I wouldn't bet against them at home.

46 Reader Comments

Stop-n-Pop (not verified)07:00am
May 30
I love how there was a bunch of chatter about how Barry didn't "sell the call" on the same day the NBA announces that it will begin fining players for flopping. I guess I shouldn't be laughing about it. Joey Crawford may T me up in the stands. I do want to say that I think Barkley's "they were outplayed so it's only fitting" argument is absolute bullshit. From boxing to wrestling to making a nice drive and flubbing the putt, the whole game matters in sports and the win was tainted. Being a Spurs fan (former Texan), this series pisses me off more than when Shaq and the Lakers had the Kings and Portland series handed to them by the refs way back when. Congrats, the champs blow 2 20 point leads with a gimpy best player and you get bailed out of an epic collapse by a BS call. I guess this is what people mean when they call Jackson the Zen Master. I love Pop's reaction to hearing the news that the NBA admitted it was wrong: "I guess I'll have to send the NBA some flowers."
Chastised (not verified)06:49pm
May 30
Stop n Pop- That's an awful lot of excuse making. Every time an team blows a 20 point lead, there's a team overcoming a 20 point deficit. And, as repeated ad nauseam, the Lakers epic collapse was helped by 2 terrible calls against them (2 > 1). Can we just put that sardoodledom to rest now? As for Ginobli, he actually played better against the Lakers in the play-off series than he did during the regular season (12.6 ppg, .358 field goal shooting versus 10.8 ppg on .311 during the regular season. Thank you http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/). I know its hard to notice while Doug Collins drenched us in Ginobli’s ankle news, but Ginobli repeatedly said it was not a problem (and the Lakers overcame injuries too). I’ll take Ginobli at face value that the Lakers series of high energy defenders give him match-up problems. Take a cue from the good men of the Spurs and just tip your hat to the better team and gear up to kick their ass next year.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)08:04pm
May 30
No way. Manu was unable to get in the lane and this allowed the Lakers to sag on Parker and Duncan. His lane scoring is absolutely essential to the success of the Spurs. He's a de-facto big man with the amount he typically scores in the paint and gets to the line. He was unable to do that. You can't have the "they don't complain" line both ways. If Manu doesn't say his ankle is an issue, then that's just the good men of the Spurs talking. He was hurt and it showed in his game. I honestly don't think the Lakers are a better team and they caught the Spurs injured and with a trade that should have been blocked by the league office. Am I bitter? Perhaps, but this Laker team is tainted by more than just a bad call. I'll never be convinced otherwise that Memphis didn't field a call from the league office telling them to hold off on a Bulls deal until the Lakers weighed in. Pop said it at the time and he was right: that trade was bullshit nonsense and it should have been stopped by the league office. It's like some crazy fantasy league trade where the guy who doesn't play unloads his best players to his buddy. BTW: If you're going to rely on stats you may want to read them first. Manu had a DNP to go with performances of 17/4/5, 14/6/3, and 12/6/4 in 4 games against the Lakers. They were 2-1 in games where he played and was healthy. One of those victories was with Kwame Brown playing center for LA....which is exactly who they should be with right now. Luckily for them, they were able to trade another team's assistant coach + some garbage for an All Star center. Garbage. Absolute garbage.
Anonymous (not verified)01:19am
May 31
Stop whining please!!!! You've won multiple championships over the last decade - there is no hidden evil conspiracy against your Spurs! If the NBA was rigging playoff series then I really doubt they would have chosen the Spurs, Detroit and Miami as the champions over the last 4 years.. You're just a terrible loser who's looking for excuses - learn some class from Pop. Be strong and hold back the tears for a bit... in a month or so you will be able to get on with your life and look forward to next year. Hopefully.
Anonymous (not verified)01:24am
May 31
Horry's foul on Nash last year and the subsequent suspensions led Suns fans (amongst others) to call the Spurs dirty and deem their championship tainted...... That was ridiculous then..just as you're being ridiculous now.
Anonymous (not verified)01:28am
May 31
And speaking about bad calls - if Duncan's travel had been called, and the refs seen that Fisher's shot hit the rim, and if the goaltending call on Odom was called correctly.............there wouldn't even BE a last second shot by Barry.
midlife crisis (not verified)06:32am
May 31
The bad calls make the game ridiculous. A year after the gambling, the officiating is still at a level where anyone could be fixing games. Maybe they should have 7 refs playing the games or should have a farm system for developing their skills or they should have instant replay or who knows what else. Why talk about tainted victories? Every victory is tainted. Obvious blown calls in the last minute just make it apparent that the broken part of officiating was not fixed when donaghy went down. In fact, no attempt at repair was made. I'm hoping to suspend my belief for at least five games during the next series and enjoy the finals. And I'm even eager for the over analysis that will come with 5 days until the first game ... so maybe we can move on, even while admitting the gripes are valid.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)08:47am
May 31
That's where I'm coming from on this. There's 3 big elephants in the NBA room right now: reffing, in-season transactions that violate the spirit (if not the letter) of the CBA, and gambling. You had the 2 biggest in-season trades go down by using such assets as another team's assistant coach and a stay-at-home dad. It's not just the Lakers and I'm really not *that* homerish to think that the Spurs weren't engaged in some collusion when "trading" Brent Barry to the Sonics for Kurt Thomas. It's nonsense. I can't wait until the first team gets busted for promising illegal contracts a'la Joe Smith to 1st round drafted foreign players who could make more in Europe than they could on the NBA rookie scale (with a declining dollar, no less). What sort of nonsense will go on to get around that hurdle? The NBA got its dream matchup while doing nothing but addressing...wait for it...flopping...which is just another problem with reffing. BTW: That last second Laker 3 pointer blew the 7.5 point spread. It's estimated that $100 mil changed hands because of that shot.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)11:47am
May 31
Great post. To me, that's what taints this so-called dream matchup. Without those moves in the West, we'd be seeing a great basketball matchup -- Hornets vs. Celtics. This matchup will be so overhyped that even if it goes 7, it will feel like a disappointment. The worst part? The NBA doesn't care because the fans who are bumping up their ratings don't care. It's sad that the NBA only considers themselves successful when the large-market cities' fair-weather fans jump on the bandwagon. As a Wolves fan, it saddens me that, if the team would ever win the championship, the league would consider it a "down" year. On the other hand, is it better to be a fan of a team like the Wolves who don't have a huge following or a team like the Vikings who have some good fans and a lot of casual fans who do things like call for them to bench the QB who started in all of their wins? For me, that's tough to say.
Andy G (not verified)12:21pm
May 31
LA struggled for a while in the Ced Ceballos/Nick Van Exel years. Boston has had multiple stints at the bottom of the league. Pau Gasol was traded for $0.20 on the dollar, and yet Memphis has come out of it with two budding stars in Rudy Gay/Mike Conley and the 5th pick in the draft. Since they sucked before the trade, they can at least start rebuilding. Gasol was an All-Star exactly 1 time before this trade, and people have seemed to forget that he wasn't quite the player he is now when he had Mike Miller and Hakim Warrick surrounding him. (I admit that trade, on Memphis' end, is more difficult to defend than anything McHale has ever done, but give me credit for trying). There are always conspiracy theories in the NBA, and I have had my own, but the common denominator in almost all of them is that they get directed at the teams people hate. I hated the Bulls, so I noticed the refs carrying Jordan to his last title when Indiana had the better team that year. More people hate Kobe, so they see all kinds of fishy stuff going on with him and the Lakers. Tim Donaghy and other corrupt refs don't help the league's credibility, but I don't see why gambling should have a direct correlation with league marketing. In any case, casual and super-fans alike should be able to enjoy Kobe Bryant's Lakers vs. Kevin Garnett's Celtics. From a purely basketball standpoint, as well as from whatever marketing angles the league chooses, it sets up as the best Finals in a long time.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)01:31pm
May 31
Nice to see the implication that I think it's a conspiracy theory when I never mentioned that I hated either the Celtics or the Lakers. For the record, I like both of the teams in the finals and many of the players on both teams. It's the implication that somehow this will be a better finals than Spurs-Pistons or Spurs-Celtics or Hornets-Celtics etc. that is what's troublesome for the league. For example, was the '84 finals (Celtics-Lakers) better than the '94 finals (Rockets-Knicks)? No, but it was watched by more people. How about the '05 finals (Pistons-Spurs) and the '84 finals? Not much difference, but the second one is remembered more. Also, I don't think it's a "conspiracy," but the Lakers' success in the 80's and resurgence in the late-90s was lucky. They signed Shaq as a FA before the rules were changed to make that sort of thing much more difficult. Kobe was able to force the Hornets to trade him for Vlade Divac. Phil Jackson was pushed out in Chicago. They're also lucky Kobe rejected a trade to Chicago, that Phil is dating the owner's daughter and was persuaded to come back, and that Memphis wanted to trade Gasol, who is a perfect fit for their style of play, and just wanted to dump his salary. They're the only team in the league who only has to develop half of their players and can count on getting the other half at a discount. This is probably the first team they've had since the 60's and 70's that's been built with home-grown talent and good free-agent signings, yet they'd be done right now if not for the Gasol trade and Kobe staying. Yet, they're considered a marquee franchise while a team like the Spurs or Pistons isn't, even though both of those teams have much more productive organizations (and despite the fact that the Pistons are 2-1 against them in the finals). And by the way, I'm saying this despite the fact that the Spurs are the only team in the league I don't like.
Andy G (not verified)01:56pm
May 31
Good points. Since Kobe was the 13th pick, I think that shows a degree of Jerry West genius in making that move, even if it was forced by Kobe. Also, some bad luck for LA: Kobe hooking up with the wrong chick on the road may have cost them 1, 2 or more titles. They had just come off their third straight, and nothing seemed to be stopping Kobe at that point. If I didn't suspect that 90% of the league is unfaithful to their spouses, then I would say something about how this was Kobe's fault. Caron Butler for Kwame Brown prevented them from making deeper playoff runs the past few years. They were a Tim Thomas 3-pointer away from the 2nd Round two seasons ago, and I think swapping All-Star Caron for deadbeat Kwame pushes them over the top (at least closer to the Finals) without Pau. I'll just have to disagree about whether New Orleans is as fun to watch as LA. Not only is Kobe the most fun player to watch in the world, but their up-tempo style and energetic bench are a lot more entertaining than all of the alley-oops in the world, although I do enjoy watching CP3.
Chastised (not verified)12:27pm
Jun 4
That's just more baseless whining. The Lakers got Gasol because no one else would take him unless Memphis took back big contracts. Gasol is a weak rebounder (averaged 10 only once), disinterested defender and a #2 offensive player with a Superstar's contract. The Lakers willingly took on luxury tax because Gasol's one great skill- a superior offensive mind (when to dive, when to pass, etc)- fits perfectly. The Memphis owner said as much here: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/Feb/03/heisleys-the-guy-making-decisions/ He says they shopped Gasol, but no other team would take him unless Memphis took back bad contracts. The trade wasn't a league problem, a Jerry West problem, it was a "your team won't take on the luxury cap and doesn't want weak defenders" problem.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)08:49am
May 31
I haven't won or lost anything, camper. Stop drinking and posting please.
Anonymous (not verified)08:58am
May 31
Nice comeback! Not as good as the Lakers comeback though..
Olowa-ebi (not verified)09:48am
May 30
It's bad enough to have KG and Flip in the Eastern Conference finals, but it's much worse watching the Lakers go to the finals. After the Lakers beat us in the Western Conference finals, they too collapsed as a franchise -- effectively starting over and coming oh so close to trading their franchise player. Despite a never ending string of bullshit from Kobe Bryant, they hang on to him and build around him. Quite similarly, they even hang onto their coach, unlike the Wolves torching of Saunders. Imagine the uproar in LA if Kobe was traded for Al Jefferson, Telfair, Gomes and a #1. You could argue that Kobe is a more valuable player than KG, but it's like arguing whether Snickers or Milky Way is better. While Flip Saunders is no Phil Jackson, I can promise that the likes of Randy Wittman would not pass muster in the Staples Center. The main point I make is that the Wolves have demonstrated to every other team in the NBA why you don't trade a legitimate franchise player. For christ sakes, we made Danny Ainge the "Executive of the Year." I want to believe that this team can turn it around with McHale at the helm, but I can't buy that much hope. Just look at the two teams making a new appearance in the conference finals. The Lakers acquired Gasol and Boston acquired Garnett, not to mention Ray Allen. Building a championship team always, always, always starts in the front office and then when the games play it's up to the players and coach. Lakers fans will watch Kobe and Phil play for the championship and Wolves fans will watch Garnett and Saunders play for the championship.
Andy B (not verified)10:20am
May 30
O-Ebi, "Imagine the uproar in LA if Kobe was traded for Al Jefferson, Telfair, Gomes and a #1." You make a good point. That trade does look bad, given where Kobe is at. I cannot defend the trade for KG either given what KG is doing in Boston. But, I still have to defend the trade Mchale made given the state the Wolves were in. The Wolves are not LA or Boston and our market probably could not afford to commit to bringing the stars needed to surround KG with a championship team - Odom and gasol or Pierce and Allen. And especially given how the experiment with Cassell and Sprewll turned out. The trade brought back a previous #1 to the Wolves that we traded to Boston for Banks as well. Mchale also orchestrated a trade that got Blount and Davis off the roster and gave us another #1 pick from Miami next year. That means we have at least 2 #1 picks next year with one of them, Miami's probably in the top 10. I am willing to buy into the build it plan and also to reserve my judgement on Wittman for as long as the WOlves show some improvement. I'd rather have that than watching the Wolves just miss the playoffs with KG surrounded by medicre players and no draft picks coming along each year to give some sense of hope for the future. The playoffs are fun and I'd love for the Wolves to be in LA's or Boston's place right now, but there are twenty some other teams in the league that feel the same. And, I'm actually excited about the draft picks this year and next year and hoping we can surround Al Jefferson with good enough players to give Wittman a chance to build something post KG. We'll just have to see, though.
Jesse (not verified)10:21am
May 30
Britt, I do agree KG has been the most consistent player on Boston. But there have been some times where I have to question his killer instinct. More than a few times he shook left, he shook right, he drives to the hoop, an easy dunk? An easy layup? No. He passes. To a guy who can't shoot. Is KG willing to take the big shot? With the pressure on? Another problem with Boston that worries me, is that like Van Gundy said, they play the score and not the game. A few times Boston has had leads that, for a team with that much talent, should be close to a sure bet to a sure win. But how many times have we seen Boston with big leads only do see them play lazy, carelessly and risky and let the other team make almost an effortless comeback in no time? Now, take into account the Spurs too had big leads on LA. And LA disposed of them in both those games. Kobe put the choke hold on them. And if it is a Boston and Lakers match up, and Boston plays like they have been with letting big leads so easily slip out of their hands, I don't have to be Nostradamus to tell you it will be the Lakers that come out on top. Anyway, I agree with Britt that Boston is still not hitting on all cylinders (should I reserver that analogy for the pistons?) Neither are the Pistons. Perhaps we might see some of the best basketball by either of the 2 teams tonight and possibly Sunday?
carlos (not verified)02:27pm
May 30
I agree with KG still lacking that killer instinct. As much as he does on a basketball court, I still can't believe he passed up on two open midrange jumpers in the 4th quarter. Kobe clearly demonstrated his "killer instinct" last night as he played near flawless basketball in the fourth quarter. He knows exactly what to do; when to take the open jumper, when to drive it hard to the hole, when to stop and pop. KG and the rest of the Celtics need to be study Kobe's "advanced closing skills" so a) they can try to stop him, and b) they can try to emulate them. As for tonight's game against the Pistons, I see this as a must win for Boston. Let's face it, the Pistons are hurting with Billups not at 100% with the hammie, and now Rip, their best player in the playoffs, hurting with an elbow problem. If Boston can't beat Detroit in their place with the Pistons hurt, how can they expect to beat a young and healthy Laker team (assuming they do get by Detroit at all). If Detroit wins tonight, I think Boston will definitely take Game 7, but that will hurt them in the Finals for two reasons: - They're older and will have played 21 games to LA's 15. - Not being able to win on the road will be their ultimate downfall with the 2-3-2 format in the Finals. The Lakers will definitely win one in the Garden.
Moroni (not verified)11:11am
May 30
One thing I will take away from these playoffs and this Wolves season is that Al Jefferson is a damn good offensive post player. Every playoff game I carefully watch the PFs and I have to say, there isn't a player in the league I would trust more to get a bucket one on one in the post than Big Al. The creativity he demonstrates to get off his hook shot with such touch is unmatched in the league. Kobe Bryant will not let the Lakers lose in the Finals. I'll be cheering for Boston, but Kobe is playing on another level right now and he's surrounded by enough talent that there's no way to take him out of the game on offense. The backdoor bounce pass KG delivered to Pierce the other night made me nostalgic for the old days. A truly beautiful basketball play. I think OJ Mayo will prove to be the best player in this draft, I hope the Wolves take him at 3.
Ray (not verified)02:12pm
May 30
I think Rose and Beasley will live up to the hype and prove to be the best two players in this draft. The question for the Wolves is do you take the next best player available or do you fill your biggest need? 99% of the time, I would say you draft best available but I think the next 4 guys on the list are too similarly ranked that you have to fill the biggest need. I watched a lot of Brook Lopez and he seems like the perfect player to pair with Jefferson. Like Jefferson, he is an efficient scorer, but he also appears to be a detail-oriented player who will greatly improve team defense. I also think the Wolves are going to be a half-court team if they are build around Jefferson, so Lopez' lack of speed won't be as much of a factor. With those two guys in the front court, Brewer locking down the other teams best player, and Foye and McCants free to create shots or dump it down low, this team could finally start to make some sense.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)12:35pm
May 31
I think Lopez is overrated because he was productive in college and he's big. He reminds me too much of Chris Mihm, a productive college player without any special skills who bounced around the league and will be playing in garbage time during the NBA Finals. Even if Lopez turns out as good as Andrew Bogut, Bogut isn't a game-changing center, and he's never been in the playoffs. NBA teams can get away with journeymen players at C more than at any other position because that's the position that's affected the most when the tempo changes. With that in mind, I think it's better to have one player who forces the other team to adjust (like a Tyson Chandler, Amare Stoudemire, or Mehmet Okur) or 2-3 players who can be brought in depending on the situation. Lopez doesn't have the athleticism or skills of any of those players, and why would we want to pick a platoon player at 3? As Chad Hartman mentioned in his KFAN chat with Britt, at this point, the Wolves can't be trying to fill out their lineup. They need to get a player who will be good now and potentially great later; if they can't get both, they should be looking for someone who can be potentially great by their third year. I also don't think the options at 3 are generally equal; of all of them, I think Lopez has the least amount of potential because he lacks the type of athleticism or special instincts that make good players great.
Anonymous (not verified)12:11pm
May 30
Game 4 wasn't a tainted Laker win. Odom didn't goal tend Parkers lay-up. That was clear and obvious from the camera on top of the back board. Also, look at teh replay again and tell me you can clearly call that a foul, but keep in mind that the defender is not fouling the offensive player if the contact comes after the offensive player releases the shot and returns to the ground. Parker scooped the lay-up and barely got off the ground. That rule and Parker's action, plus a close examination of the replay indicates a very close call (I wouldn't argue it either way, call or not). Lamar hit him right around when Parker touched the court. 3 bad calls in the final 30 seconds (2 against the lakers) is inexcusable. And, like Jackson said, if you're peeling the onion, go all the way: Duncan took 4 steps on his second quarter dunk.
Britt Robson02:02pm
May 30
First of all, if you are posting here, identify yourself by more than anonymous--otherwise you literally have no tangible identity by which I can recognize and distinguish what you say. Second, I haven't seen the replay of the Odom play but will take it on faith that what you say is accurate, since you are relatively fair-minded about Odom perhaps fouling Parker and about the Fisher-on-Barry play being a blown call. Third, the Jackson comment is of course ridiculous; the onion-peeling would never end. For Jackson's "veracity" consider that last night on national television he claimed Kurt Thomas got two free throws after a made basket. Obviously, he didn't.
Josh (not verified)03:34pm
May 30
Britt, spot on with your comments regarding Bowen's defense- even though Kobe put up 29 pts/gm on 53% from the field and did get many of his points against Bowen, the contrast between Bowen and everyone else was shocking (and I've always thought Bowen was amazing- lets hope Brewer is in his class someday). It was clear from Kobe's body language and play that he just shot with more confidence and rhythm without Bowen in the game. Did you notice the same thing in last year's playoff series with the Sun's? When Raja was on Kobe he was working but still getting his points, but as soon as someone else (even Marion) was on him, Kobe had a whole new swagger and rhythm to his play and shooting. In fact, Kobe seemed to really relish isolating on Marion, seeming to taunt him with a few flashy dribbles before going into his moves. The contrast made me appreciate Raja even more, but was nothing compared to the Spurs without Bowen. I also like that you note that as much as the Spurs were cheated out of a chance to tie the game, the Lakers were cheated out of a clean win. In fact, I'm not sure which one is worse, particularly in light of the other bad/no calls in that game. Regarding your reply to "Anonymous" above, I'm not sure what Jackson's veracity has to do with whether Duncan traveled or not- he surely did. In fact, the lack of a call there bothers me more than any call in the game, although the Barry no call is a close second. With the Barry call at least there was some subjective element. Duncan's travel was blatant and ridiculous, I know lots of players get away with an extra step here and there, especially in traffic, on a spin move or splitting a double, or perhaps a foot shuffle or dragging a pivot foot, but a guy should not be able to catch the ball at the top of the key and just run to the basket without the refs noticing that he took an extra step. Two points are two points. So while I agree with you that it is pointless to go back through a game and try to tally up all the missed calls (e.g. 9 extra points for us minus 7 extra points for them = we win), I think the line should be drawn at how blatant the miss was. Thus, while Fisher's shot did graze the rim, it was hard to see in real time and I expect those calls to be missed here and there, likewise with the block/goaltending call on Odom. I did think the foul on Parker was fairly clear, but I see that call missed a lot as well so for me it is part of the game. I didn't see a replay, but if Manu's toe was on the line on that three then that one bugs me a bit, but I can live with it as part of the game also. I guess, what I'm saying is that all in all, I only thought two of the calls were inexcusable, the Duncan travel and the Barry foul and I think they net out as even. Unfortunately, the Barry foul was at the end of the game so it "taints" the win.
Britt Robson05:52pm
May 30
Fair enough. The Duncan travel was pretty obvious. I think my ire was directed more at Miller/Smith/Barkley than anyone else. Having everything resolve itself into ripping Barry, of all people, was the cowardly way out, and reinforced the sense I always get with ex-players, which is that they care much more about how their peers regard them than what is truthful and accurate. You wouldn't see them ripping Kobe for trying to avoid the foul to get off a shot. (And yeah, I know, two things wrong with that are that Kobe wouldn't have tried to avoid it and even if he had the refs would have whistled the foul.)
Andy G (not verified)06:17pm
May 30
Britt- Don't you think the post-game commentary is better when focused on the play vs. the officiating? Barry had such an easy opportunity to draw a three-shot foul, I don't understand how he shouldn't have been the focus of the talk. Fisher was flying straight at him and all he had to do was shoot. If he was as crafty as Kobe and Manu, he would have jumped into Fisher, but just jumping straight up would've gotten the job done. Instead, he completely bailed out and tried to dribble around Fisher. Barry could've made it an obvious foul, but he tried and succeeded in avoiding one. Their discussion of this, and their insights as to perhaps why he failed was more interesting to me than the obvious complaining that was due in the press by Laker-haters. Kobe probably would've gotten a call if he were the one in Barry's shoes, but that's a long-standing NBA tradition of favoring stars and it wasn't the situation here since it wasn't Kobe getting fouled. You could equally say that Duncan or Ginobili would've gotten that call if it were them. There has been nothing in this playoffs that suggests LA is getting special treatment, and after watching the 2006 Miami title-run, it's unfortunate if people start thinking that way about this extremely impressive plow through the mighty West. I'm not sure I've ever seen a more impressive three rounds, given the level of competition at each stage.
NYC Fan (not verified)03:50pm
May 30
Hang on just a second. Jackson's comment isn't that ridiculous. If you argue that a foul is a foul is a foul, and should be called no matter what the situation is or when in the game or series occurs, then a bad call is a bad call is a bad call, and the fact that it happened in the 2nd quarter makes it no less important than if it had happened in the 4th. If Duncan's travel was called, the entire rest of the game would have been completely different. The score would have been different, the Lakers would have approached there next possession differently, and so on and butterfly effect and Ashton Kucher goes back in time. I think it's a terrible precedent for the league to simply correct one call. They might as well mail out an errata the morning after every game.
Britt Robson05:47pm
May 30
Yeah, when you're arguing that something isn't ridiculous and it ends with Ashton Kucher you've accomplished the always tricky semantic Gordian knot in which you prove and disprove your point at the same time. Seriously, I get what you're saying--you think it is absurd for the league to isolate one call in a welter of questionable events. I would rebut that the Fisher foul was blatant enough to provoke a response. Actually I think the league was also responding to Barkley's stupidity: He said a whistle would have given the Spurs three shots and a chance to win the game outright. Anyone could see that Bones wasn't in the act of shooting.
Chastised (not verified)04:26pm
May 30
Not creating a name was laziness for which I apologize. Jackson's point stands on its own, I think. I dislike his whining about refs, Kobe's free throw shooting, etc, but he's right that if the NBA makes an announcement about a blown call with 2 seconds left, why not 5 seconds (the Fisher-Grazer) or 22 Seconds (the Clean Block)? Anyway, Crawford and Forte blew calls all game and 3 in the last 30 seconds (maybe 4, if Lamar fouled Parker). That's terrible, but shouldn't taint the Laker's performance. As for Bowen's D, I think Duncan deserves unlimited credit. He shadows the ball on D, moving with it and positions himself well to meet the Lakers at the basket whenever they arrived. Lamar and Gasol reached the basket as frequently as they did against Utah and the Nuggs, but Duncan contested their shots and, first, caused them to miss, and, second, caused them to pull up or do things not in their game. Or just quit driving. Kobe blew by Bowen pretty well, but Duncan was always there. I’ve got much man-love for Duncan-- he's not flashy, he doesn't scream, grimace and call attention to himself, he collects his own blocks instead of pointlessly sending them out of bounds, he plays great position D, and all of that leads most casual fans to miss-out on what a wonderful defender he is. The Lakers went to a high P/R to try an stretch Duncan, but he contested Kobe’s shots at the FT line and followed him to contest at the basket. Kobe’s game was incredibly impressive to me yesterday, because Duncan, the best defensive big man in the NBA, I think, was right there with him.
Britt Robson05:43pm
May 30
Chastised-- Excellent points about Duncan. In fact did you notice how both Gasol and Odom got off a little bit in the 4th last night after Duncan began moving further and further out to contest; especially Gasol's putback very late? That said, Bowen played extremely well. Before the series, I mistakenly remarked that Bowen or Udoka would have about equal luck (and in not much) of deterring Kobe, but the difference with Udoka on him was blatant.
JPFnotJPK (not verified)06:41pm
May 30
Duncan screams and grimaces as much - if not more so - than anyone. Complaining about a call and the face players make is called a "Duncan Face" for a reason. That said, he's the best low post defender since Hakeem, so I know what you're saying. Just wanted to nitpick that one bit cause I'm tired of hearing how classy Duncan is.
Jesse (not verified)02:31pm
May 30
"Lamar hit him right around when Parker touched the court." Isn't that a foul though? I don't think the thing that would make it tainted was Odom's no call on the goal tend, but rather the non-call that should have been a call with Fisher hitting Barry. Having a series possibly 2-2 instead of 3-1 is a big difference. I know Barry and Popavich were like "It shouldn't have been called" but all you have to do is look at the replay and see both Barry and Pop calling for the foul after the play. But they were being poltic as Britt pointed out.
Andy G (not verified)01:51pm
May 30
The most obvious error by the refs on Tuesday night was the shot clock blunder that nearly cost LA the game. This had no judgment or grey area, but simply the ref's inability or unwillingness to determine when the ball hits the rim. The ball changed direction, mid-flight, and I think most would agree that this had nothing to do with winds changing or anything like that. That would have been a devastating loss to LA after getting jobbed like that. While the NBA was stupidly making its meaningless apology or explanation (whatever it was) regarding the Barry no-call, it should have included an apology to the '98 Bulls for not calling a push-off on Reggie Miller before draining that buzzer-beater 3-pointer, and then the '98 Jazz for not calling MJ's famous push-off on Bryon Russell. Unless there's a hack or major body contact, the refs are right to put the whistles away. Barry had an opportunity to draw an obvious foul, but he did his best to avoid it (and it worked).
antonymous (not verified)03:43pm
May 30
I'm trying to figure out how to say this and not sound like a KG-apologist, but can we all agree that Boston's offense is, erm, sub-optimal? I can't tell if it's me just being accustomed to KG catching on the elbow (and running the entire offense) or if Doc has some different concepts of spacing than I do, but I am seeing Ticket catching either on the block (which is okay, though he's not most comfortable there) or deep on the wing where he has no angles to work with. These spots make no sense to me. From the elbow, he can see the most court, he can shoot, he can take his long-stride dribble into the paint or drifting away, he can set up a pick and pop, etc. etc. It just seems like every time I hear the announcers proclaim that KG needs to step up and take over, he catches the ball 20 feet out for an isolation play or gets stuck on the block with his teammates standing around while he gets doubled. I have to say I'm a little bummed about the Spurs loss - I think I would enjoy the TD/KG renewed rivalry subplot (and MULTIPLE aging benches!) more than I need to hear gushing praise about the Lakers' bright future or Kobe's heroics. I'm definitely cheering for whoever comes out of the East this year. And don't even get me started on Vujacic's end-of-game 3. Classy move against the league's most respected team, you little brat. I agree about Ginobili's ineffectiveness. He just couldn't get it together and I really wish he could. I think the Spurs are definitely capable of dipping into the veteran pool and trying again with a new (only slightly younger) set of guys.
Mike P. (not verified)06:29pm
May 30
Calling the Lakers win 'tainted' is a tad much doncha think? As mentioned here Odom did not goal tend and Fisher's shot hit the rim. Did Odom foul Parker? Maybe, but contact long after a block is almost never called - e.g. Maxiell's block on KG's attempted dunk. Considering the last play alone - watch the replay. Watch Barry get set free from Sasha (?) by a two-forearm-shiver-offensive-lineman's block from Manu around the FT line. There is a 0% chance that pick would be allowed in the 2nd quarter, a foul is a foul right? Also, watch Barry's feet - he travels. He picks his left foot up, plants it, picks his right foot up, plants it and drives into Fisher, then releases the dribble. This type of two step IS called with regularity. Lastly, continuation would not have been called since contact was made well before he released the dribble, so he would have had 2 free throws to tie (with about a second or so remaining on the clock for the Lakers to attempt another 0.4 miracle-type play). However, I think the overriding reason the entire 3 man crew (not JUST Crawford) didn't call the foul on Fish was because Fish was not going to land on Barry. Look closely, Fish jumps up and to his left (Barry's right). Fisher would have landed slightly ahead and a foot or two to Barry's right. Barry ducked into Fish to try and get a bail-out inside of using his escape dribble forward for a closer, uncontested three. He tried to coerce a bail-out call instead of making the winning play. THIS is almost never rewarded for anybody, even Kobe. Replay the last minute with perfect offciating and you get Parker shooting 2 on the Odom foul/block. The Lakers at the line for 2 instead of Kobe's jacked up jumper with 2 seconds on the shot clock. Two FTs and it is game over. So to get to 93-91 Parker needs to hit two and a Laker needs to miss 2 FTs. On the final play who is going to argue that Manu set a legal pick? Who disputes that Barry traveled? Who disputes that Barry had an open path to the basket but chose to bear right into Fisher? Who disputes Fisher fouled Barry? So, draw the line, but to draw it at 'tainted' means you are fine with the blown Odom goal-tending, fine with the blown shot clock non-re-set, fine with an obviously illegal Manu pick, and fine with Barry traveling, but you have issues with Parker and Barry not getting the calls. I think if Barry hit the shot or got and hit 3 FTs you could argue 'tainted' in the opposite direction equally well. Anyway, love the column!
Anonymous (not verified)09:51pm
May 30
I'm amazed every year that the NBA, or more specifically STERN, is not "called out". How does he get away with this charade? The NBA is not "Fixed", but it's not equal & fair. Stern only knows "Michael". Without the premerie star, Stern does not know how to manage a league. He tried to headline the Lakers w/ Kobe & Shaq, (See LA vs Sac, game 6). Watching Boston vs Detroit #6 & refs desperately trying to extend to game 7 for TV & Laker rest. Stern Needs MVP Kobe to Win the championship. It's all he knows about commishing.
pagingstanleyroberts (not verified)10:31pm
May 30
Prediction: Flip is fired and replaced by Avery Johnson.
xris m (not verified)03:45am
May 31
You also forgot about Duncans 5 step dunk. That would have been another minus 2 points for the Spurs so the lead shoud have been 4 plus 2 possible shots for the reset 24. For a lead of about 5 maybe 6 with about 4 seconds left. Barry's shot would have been obsolete if every call was made correctly.
Steve J (not verified)12:18pm
Jun 3
Britt, is there any chance Flip would look at returning to the Wolves, seeing as how the Gopher job is no longer an option?
RhinoLove (not verified)08:29am
Jun 4
Why would we want him? If he couldn't coach the Pistons past that mediocre Cavs team (several times worse than this year's squad) in last year's EC Finals, what is he going to do with our mismatched, inexperienced, and talent short squad? There are a ton of options if we just want an improvement over Wittman. Compared to Flip, most would be cheaper, many would be better... all would be hungrier- how excited would Flip be to go back to the team that canned him midseason a few year's back, and one with no veteran talent to boot?
Steve J (not verified)11:36am
Jun 4
Rhino, you make good points, however I am solely in the market for a Wittman replacement...almost anyone will do. With that said, there's not a ton of coaches with Flip's (admittedly shakey) experience whom would take the head coaching job here, especially not with the Phoenix job still open.
RhinoLove (not verified)11:49am
Jun 4
I feel your pain Steve. Wittman seems to lack both coaching chops and player development skills. I think the latter is a more important need for this squad. Let's admit it, we aren't going anywhere soon. The most we can hope for is somebody to turn these guys into better players. Experienced coaches are either going to want to step into a winning environment or be given huge contracts (if not both). I'd hate to see the Wolves commit big money to a flawed coach like Flip. I'd much rather find a lower-level guy that is hungry for a head coaching job, who will commit to a long term rebuilding plan.
midlife crisis (not verified)11:58am
Jun 4
I think flip should hit phoenix. With his penchant for matchups, I would like to see him switch from jumpshots and the big playbook to shaqinthepost-shaqinthepost-shaqinthepost. I would love to see Wittman have an expectation for performance but I doubt it. It's hard to imagine winning half our games and the teams style (slow on offense, no defense) is painful to watch without victories. I would happily take flip back just to have ball rotation and jump shots... I doubt it would translate to more victories, but it might be easier on the eyes.
jianfu (not verified)02:19pm
Jun 4
I don't know. With or without Shaq, a big part of Phoenix's attack is the 3-pointer, something Saunders has an aversion to. This is more than a scattershot observation from someone who used to pull his hair out everytime Wally hit one of those long 2's, standing about a step inside the arc. A quick look at the evidence over at basketball-reference suggests Flip Saunders teams avoid the trey. Flip was at the helm of the Wolves from the 95-96 season to the 03-04 season, and half of 04-05. That's a pretty healthy body of work, with plenty of time for personnel turnover/correction, etc. And not only did the Wolves never attempt more threes than the NBA average, they NEVER even ranked outside the 20s, and often they were in 27-28 range. It's likely they attempted the fewest 3 point shots of any franchise during Flip's tenure. Perhaps even more tellingly, for anyone who maybe thinks this was part of the front office's design, Flip ran the Pistons from 05-06 to this past season. His first season there, the Pistons were 10th in the league in 3PA; Flip's second season they dipped below average to 19th, and this year they ranked 22nd. Considering Ben Wallace was their biggest personnel turnover under Flip, it's hard to point the finger at the players. So I'm not sure Flip in Phoenix would be a good a match.
jianfu (not verified)02:47pm
Jun 4
One more thing: Flip's Pistons ranking 10th in 3PA his first season was admittedly a large jump for them. Under Larry Brown the Pistons chucked up a well-below-average number of three attempts. But then again, like Flip, that seems to be a coach's preference. Rick Carlisle, (with the same starting backcourt as Flip and Brown in his second and final season at the helm), had the Pistons well above average in 3PA (6th). At any rate, Flip Saunders has been an NBA head coach for essentially 13 seasons, and he's had exactly one team under his watch attempt an above-average number of threes (the 05-06 Pistons), and the vast majority of his teams have ranked well into the lower third.

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