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The Three Pointer: Seattle Slew

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Game # 58, Home Game #31: Seattle 111, Minnesota 108

Season Record: 12-46

1. An Improving Beast

During Kevin Garnett's dozen years with the Wolves, I wrote a slew of game recaps which included as a stock phrase the caution that people shouldn't take the incredibly high-level consistency KG was offering for granted. I think I'm safely on the record as saying that Al Jefferson is not, and probably never will be, the versatile monster that Garnett is on the court, but here goes my first-ever time pointing out that you do Big Al a disservice ignoring or downgrading his tremendous effort in the overtime loss to Seattle last night.

Jefferson started the game shockingly cold from the field, bereft of his now famous touch around the hoop. He faked Johan Petro out of his jock and then drove left baseline, only to sail an airball in a manner that made it seem like he thought he was going to get fouled and went too strong. But he did it again later in the first quarter, on his patented spin move where you wonder how he knows where the hoop is--this time he didn't, for airball 2. In between, he received a perfect feed in stride from Sebastian Telfair headed straight down the lane, only to barely graze the front iron with his floater, snatch the offensive rebound, and then travel while attempting the putback. He missed his first five shots and the Wolves, beseiged by bad matchups at the other end due to their small lineup (more on that later), fell behind by 10 before he finally got on the board via a fast-break layup off a Corey Brewer steal with 1:58 to play in the first. At the half he was 3-11 FG and Minnesota was still down 7, 51-58.

But great players will themselves past off nights, and that's exactly what Jefferson did in the second half. His 4-7 FG fueled Minnesota's 3rd quarter surge into a one-point lead heading into the final period, and his 4th quarter was a demonstration of unstoppable thirst for baskets against double and triple teams as the Wolves fought tenaciously to hold their slim lead. After getting his early-quarter blow, he entered with 7:14 left to play and the score tied. Within two and a half minutes, he had a slam dunk, a baseline-spinning four-foot banker on the left block, and--a new wrinkle--a 5' jump hook moving left to right across the lane. On the latter two baskets he was gang-guarded by Nick Collison, Damian Wilkins, Chris Wilcox. Didn't matter. Wolves up by 5 with 4:45 to play.

Yes, Jefferson and Craig Smith had difficulty containing Wilcox at the other end. There is no question that a defensive-oriented, shot-blocking center would be the ideal complement. But let's talk about Jefferson's most obvious leap forward during this game--his passing. After he'd consistently schooled the Sonics in crunchtime, he saw the looming triple-team and shrewdly dished it out to Corey Brewer for a wide-open look. When Brewer's shot clanged, Jefferson bulled his way for the longish rebound, and then, with Seattle determined to thwart the putback, he rose up and dumped it down by the hoop to Craig Smith for an easy layup, his career-high fifth assist of the evening. (Smith likewise had a career-high five dimes, continuing his recent push for more stable and vital playing time.)

To bring this Garnett-like point in the trey full circle, folks can rightly point out that Jefferson didn't finish when it mattered, missing four of five field goal attempts and two crucial free throws during the overtime. Certainly fatigue might have played into this. At the end of regulation, Jefferson had scored 20 points in 20:05 of grueling, pressure-packed action in the second half, sinking 9-13 FG and 4-5 FT, the last two coming with 15 seconds left to play and the Wolves up two, 99-97. But I'd rather simply say, without Jefferson, there is no overtime happening in the first place. On a night when he clearly was out of sync with his shooting rhythm for most of the first half, he finished with 30 points, 13 rebounds and 5 assists, with the vast majority of those points coming with the game on the line and the opponents dead-set on ensuring that he wasn't the player who beat them. That's stardom treatment. And while it would certainly be nice if Jefferson became even a consistently mediocre defender, stardom is where he's headed.

2. Smallball Mistakes and Motley Mismatches

It was interesting to note that nobody--Jefferson, Smith, Wittman--seemed especially disheartened by the loss, perhaps knowing that playing hard, entertaining games while positioning themselves for more ping-pong balls is not a bad outcome for a ballclub that just dumped Theo Ratliff and have the word "build" prominent in its new marketing campaign. (Fresh removed from two championships, Corey Brewer was the exception, dejectedly talking about the free throw that likely would have iced the game for Minnesota in the 4th quarter.)

Anyway, it wasn't with real rancor but simple force that Wittman said "I thought we were a little too relaxed coming out at the start. It put us behind the 8-ball...it lost us the game. The defense went through the motions...we defended nobody...and we didn't move the ball like we were capable of doing."

Nowhere was the subject of smallball included in this litany. And yet as the two teams began feeling each other out in the opening minutes, it was patently clear that the Sonics enjoyed two glaring mismatches: the 6-10 Wilcox on 6-8 Ryan Gomes at the power forward slot, and 6-4 Randy Foye trying to guard 6-9 Kevin Durant at the off-guard slot. If Wilcox hadn't been cold from the field--he missed some easy looks over Gomes down low--Seattle might have played the perfect quarter. As it was, you throw out Wilcox's 2-6 FG, and Seattle was a whopping 12-13 FG in the first quarter, and a perfect 11-11 FG inside the three point arc. Durant led the way with an almost casual 11 points on 4-4 FG and 3-3 FT. And Wilcox used his superior height and paint-jousting experience to outrebound the entire Wolves' ballclub in the period, 7-6

Things finally began to even out when Wittman subbed in Smith for Telfair with 2:35 to play in the period and the Wolves down 8. To Wittman's belated credit, we never saw that pipsqueak starting five (Jefferson-Gomes-Brewer-Foye-Telfair) together again, and Wittman discovered that Kirk Snyder was his best stopper on Durant, throwing the gritty Utah and Houston castoff with the Mr. Potato Head nose in for 32:39 of the game's final 40 minutes. Snyder knew what he was supposed to do, which put him about 4 years ahead of the person he was traded for, Gerald Green, already. Aside from 6 shots (he made 2), the largest number on his stat line was the 5 steals he registered, frequently on strips of Durant as the prolific-scoring rook was bringing the ball up to shoot in penetration. After the game, Jefferson called him a "tougher Corey Brewer" (then quickly amended it with copious praise for the heavy defensive role Brewer is already undertaking as a rookie), but Snyder reminded me more of a taller, perhaps quicker, Greg Buckner, a fine defensive presence who is among the many vets on the roster lost in the youth shuffle this season.

Bottom line, while you could call this game entertaining and hard-fought, it was not particularly well-played, especially on defense. Minnesota is 20th in the league in points allowed--pretty sorry, considering they are next-to-last in points scored and thus don't have the excuse of pace like Golden State or Phoenix--and Seattle is 25th. The two clubs combined were 90-173 FG. Snyder may have clamped down on Durant to compel his 4-14 FG shooting after the first period, but Foye and Telfair continued their matador ways with the point guards--Earl Watson shot 6-7 FG and Luke Ridenour went 5-8, for a combined 28 points and 16 assists. Chris Richard, Smith and Jefferson couldn't prevent Nick Collison from shooting 5-5 FG in the second period. And, in perhaps the best argument against constant smallball and the habits it engenders, the Wolves never could solve Wilcox, who sank 6-9 FG after that cold first period, grabbed a game-high 15 rebounds and was and incredible plus +15 in 42:42 of play, meaning the Sonics were minus -12 in the 11:18 he sat on the bench. With Doleac and Madsen in limbo, Ratliff cut, and Richard a sparsely deployed rookie, the Wolves default enforcement of the paint.

3. Quick Hits

Wittman took pains to point out that when Brewer missed the free throw with 10 seconds to play, the Wolves gambled on two steal attempts that enabled Durant to glide for a layup in transition just 6 seconds later to send the game to overtime. And he correctly noted that those types of steal attempts are what you do when you're behind, not protecting a lead. Point taken. But is anyone else enjoying the tone Brewer (and, when healthy, Jaric) seems to be setting for the entire defense in terms of ambushing the passing lanes. Just a week after falling one steal short of the team-record 17 in a win over Utah, Minnesota filched 14 more last night, including Snyder's five and three apiece from Brewer and Smith (who stuffed the stat line).

Folks are fond of blasting Wittman's end of game manuevers, and I've been fond of calling out Foye's crunchtime ego. So let's everybody note that Foye properly and conscientiously deferred to Jefferson during that 4th quarter glory and stepped up with two overtime buckets (after registering just a free throw in the 3rd and 4th quarters) when Jefferson was clanking in OT. And let's note that both Wittman and Foye did everything right on the final play of regulation, when the ball went to Foye, he saw Jefferson covered, and kicked it to a wide open Ryan Gomes near the corner, who flat-lined the jumper off the back iron.

Durant's 25 points don't compensate for his lackadaisical mien, indifferent defense, and tendency to ball hog. The kid is long, and is going to be a very potent scorer for a long time, but I'd hold off on the superstar jabber, or even rookie of the year talk. Luis Scola over in Houston is proving the Rockets don't necessarily need the overrated Yao Ming to continue their playoff push. He's my ROY.

 

36 Reader Comments

Captain America (not verified)03:57pm
Mar 3
After the option of Big Al off the box, I'd take an open shot buzzer beater by Gomes. He just happened to missed this one. Scola is a joy to watch grow with Houston. He brings it every night.
Ouijal (not verified)04:07pm
Mar 3
What are the chances of Kirk Snyder sticking on this team after this year? He is no all star in the rough, but he certainly has shown me enough to merit playing time off the bench for the foreseeable future. He plays good-to-great D and likes to go hard to the basket on O, 2 things this team can use more of.
Kahlib (not verified)10:05am
Mar 4
I tend to agree with you, Ouijal--Snyder does play heady basketball, though certainly, he's stronger on the D right now. I wonder if maybe his offensive game will improve as he gets into the flow of the game. As a segue, Snyder reminds me of one of the things that is a bit frustrating about this team right now, and forgive me if I'm being redundant: the best defensive players are not our best offensive players. A great example of this is when Brewer and Snyder were both on the court in the Seattle game to start the second half. They really tore into Seattle's offense (as an aside, it's heartening to see an effective halftime adjustment, isn't it?). But on the other hand, that particular unit couldn't do much offensively, and I'm saying that while at the same time acknowledging that Brewer had a pretty good offensive game last night--it was truly a pleasure to watch him with the ball, because he was either making a smart pass or taking a smart shot. But he couldn't deliver in the second half, and as many have noted, he's still not in the "score-at-will" category. McCants can do that right now, and it seems like he continues to play a pretty heady game, but regardless, he wasn't on the floor during that defensive stand. It was also fun to see how well the team passed the ball. I hope that continues. Anyway, this is my first post after much reading. I've decided that if I'm going to make any posts about the T-wolves, this is a good place, since we don't denigrate into name-calling and such--thanks to you all for informative insights. I made a long post awhile back and then pushed the wrong button, and I lost it. But, let me tell you, it was B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T. It would have brought a tear to a glass eye... Ok, back to work...
Xand (not verified)06:30pm
Mar 4
Snyder seemed more than a bit reticent offensively during that game.. He took it hard to the rack a few times and looked like he got fouled, but never got a whistle. After that he pretty much disappeared in the half court and stuck to getting out on the break. What's interesting is that he was a decent 3pt shooter (mid 30's %) his first two years in the league but has really dropped off since. I wouldn't mind him taking the occasional 3 to try to get back into form, because lord knows we could use some outside shooting and he's done it before. Plus, a few outside shots would really open things up for him to put it on the floor, which is something he seems to excel at. Thus far, in this admittedly small sample size, he's shown that he brings enough to other areas of the game that I'd like to see him get some more minutes to evaluate if he could be a part of this team's future. Given our past luck, I'm pretty hesitant to think he could be a real player, but stranger things have happened... I do know that I like watching him and that he's really intrigued me with his defense, energy and passing ability thus far.. These might be the death throes of a player on his last basketball legs, but aren't we due for some luck? Just for kicks, imagine a scenario where Snyder continues his dogged defensive play, learns to shoot the 3 and is resigned for a decent contract. Then we draft Derrick Rose and field a back court of Rose, Snyder and Brewer (at which point you shop one of McCants and Foye for a big man). They might not be the highest scoring back court in the league (well, they wouldn't.. that's a fact) but man that would be a hell of a defensive lineup.. I know I'd enjoy watching them.
stop-n-pop (not verified)04:18pm
Mar 3
A few things: 1- I'm not a guy to get too excited about dunks, but Brewer's near facial of Collison was the first time I've been able to look at Brewer and say "that's the guy who won last year's Final Four MVP." It's not so much about performance as it is about the guy showing some confidence and finally taking it to the rim. When you're 6'9" with springs for legs, this sort of thing is expected. Even though his handle is still sub-par for an NBA 3, he's getting more and more comfortable putting the ball on the floor and heading towards the rim rather than simply taking one dribble into a contested jumper. 2- As much as I'm still the founder, CEO, CFO, and president of the Three Pointer Comment Section Bassy Fan Club (TPCSBFC), when the post-mortem is written on Telfair's career in blue and green, the cause of death will be the luxury tax and defense (i.e. a lack of). I hope they re-sign him and I still think he's 3-5% on his shot away from being a well above average starting point in this league, but the positional +/- numbers are getting to be too hard to ignore. Granted, some of this has to do with the fact that the team's frontcourt defense is worse than it's perimeter defense, but holy crap, night in and night out they give up too much at the 1 with Foye and Bassy out there together...and since Homo Bassenis is not a direct descendent of Sam Bowie as is Villafoyeus Fourthquarterus, unless he agrees to play backup for pennies on the open market dollar, I think he's well on his way to Canis-based extinction. 3- How crappy is it that Green never could get it? Think about 2 6'8" gazelles going up and down the court at the 2 and 3. While Snyder doesn't have the circus freak athleticism of Green, it was nice to see him and Brewer fill out my all-time favorite 2-man combo: long and athletic 2s and 3s out there together. Here's hoping that they get more burn against teams that don't run out 6'9 Keith Van Horn clones at the 2 spot. It will also be interesting to see what happens if Snyder goes nuts during the remainder of the season. He's admittedly on his last NBA leg and if he proves himself worthy of a spot on the roster, who does that affect the most? I think it's Ryan Gomes. Gomes is going to get paid between $4-6 mil and Snyder could be a more cost-effective option...especially if Bassy and Smith are deemed necessary re-signees. Whatever happens, they don't have the coin to keep all four: Gomes, Smith, Bassy, and Snyder.
Jim (not verified)04:57pm
Mar 3
Telfair played 30 minutes and took two shots. That's embarrassing even for a pass first guard. No one else took anywhere near as many shots as Jefferson, which is fine for now because there aren't any other legit scorers on the roster. That's a major problem though. The top priority should be finding someone who can score and either teaching their secondary guys to shoot or finding role players who aren't afraid to shoot and won't brick 60 percent of their shots. Size is need 1A but no one is going to take this team seriously unless they get a another guy who fills it up on a nightly basis and prevents other clubs from throwing everything at big Al on every possession.
SettlingForJumpers (not verified)05:34pm
Mar 3
S-n-P- If you want to claim all those titles, at least let me be the minority shareholder or a managing director. Seriously, I agree that Bassy's days as a Wolf are numbered. But I'm not as concerned for his career as I was this time last year. He'll lift that FG% and be on his way to a very nice NBA career. I do wonder where he'll sign. Jim- For Bassy's entire career he's been dogged as a guy who looks for his own shot too much. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to and perfectly capable of jacking up 15 shots a game. Perhaps he's overcompensating a bit. There were at least two wide open looks on the perimeter he passed up. One resulted in a layup for a teammate (I forget who). Then again, he did shoot 50% on the night :) You also can't discount his 9 assists, three of which came during a crucial stretch in the fourth quarter.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)06:58pm
Mar 3
SfJ: Consider your membership granted and stamped ;) It will be interesting to see who makes the final cut. I don't put too much real stake into anything this front office says anymore but if Taylor's comments about tinkering the team down to 6 finalists means anything, and the new blueprint's Player Development page's list of 6 players matches up with whatever it is in Taylor's noggin, then...well, I guess we already know the answer. Let's see...they have Marko, Madsen, and Buckner rounding out the old-folks brigade. I'm not counting Toine because I think even though they went conservative with Rattlif's deal they won't do that this time around because they have enough money coming off the books the following year to avoid the lux mark. Add in the top pick and probably 1-2 more players (if they keep the picks or trade to move up) it becomes a simple numbers game with the roster more than anything else. Without Toine they're at 11 players already with the picks and 6 keepers. I suppose they could go over the 12 active limit and send the 2nd rounders to D-League or draft a few Euros who won't come over next year, but I think they want to get these guys on the court together ASAP. I think it's pretty safe to say they'll have this to start with: 1- Jefferson 2- Foye 3- Shaddy 4- Brewer 5- Smith 6- Madsen 7- Marko 8- Top pick 9- 2nd rounder (or trade up to mid-1st) 10- 2nd rounder The last 2 active spots go up between Toine, Buckner, Gomes, Bassy, and Snyder. I think the cheapest options win. They have enough draft picks to gloss over any holes in the line up on the cheap and they don't need to shell out 4-5 year contracts for any of these guys. As much as I'd like to see them give Bassy at the very least the backup point spot, they are in a position where they don't have to because of the amount of picks they'll have over the next 2 years. Of course, it's almost just as obvious that they'll have to package some of the picks in trades to keep their core in tact.
SettlingforJumpers (not verified)07:20pm
Mar 3
So if things do fall in line w your projection of next year's lineup, essentially that means that KG was traded for Big Al straight up, unless you count the dubious cap relief from Theo--and I know how you feel about that. The pressure is really on Big Al in that case!
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)07:53pm
Mar 3
Yep, and don't forget the do-over on the Wally trade. That's the perk that allows the club to keep their (hopefully) top-5 pick in the upcoming draft. I guess a collateral benefit of the trade is that they will hopefully suck enough next year to hold on to the pick owed the Clippers, but that's kind of pushing it and I'm once again naively optimistic that they'll improve enough to give the pick away...which would be a good thing as they wouldn't be one of the league's 10 worst clubs. I honestly think they'll spring on Gomes. He seems to be exactly the type of glue/clubhouse guy they want to build the squad around and you've hit the PR nail on the head: they can't afford a trade that would boil down to KG for Big Al and a Wally do-over.
Andy G (not verified)08:30pm
Mar 3
30 year old KG for 22 year old AJ isn't bad if you are set on rebuilding. Gotta remember that (hopefully) we also jump from drafting between 7 and 14 and drafting between 1 and 4. In most drafts, I think, that means something. It looks like it will mean something this year if they land the 1 or 2. Even if this year's draft doesn't pan out--(to me, that means slipping to 4 or 5 and taking Lopez or another big man destined for role as big stiff center)--I still think we'll have too much next year to avoid losing the Clips pick--which is ok. We'll have plenty of youth that should grow into a good team. If we had another year like this one, with Al growing into the early part of his prime years, it would be very ugly and we'll be calling for Wittman's head by the midway point. That's why I think this draft is so essential--I think it's a foregone conclusion that we'll be at least mediocre next year, and therefore be finished with the top of the draft and may not have another good chance up here in Minnesota to bring in a superstar talent.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)09:11pm
Mar 3
"That's why I think this draft is so essential" ...yep. This is the make-or-break part of the trade. I don't think they could have done better than Big Al out of taking anyone on Boston's roster or any pick they could received (i.e. Green), but this next pick is the one that will make the deal. Here's hoping for the best. They should have a pretty damn good shot at getting a solid player. If they get the top pick, the choice is obvious. If they don't get the top pick and Memphis or Miami go ahead of them, they still have a shot at Rose (especially with Memphis) and maybe even Beasley at #2 if Miami gets the top pick. Anywho, Lopez would be a nice player to have to settle for and maybe they could even get his brother with one of the top 2nd rounders. That would be quite the haul. I'd still like them to take a flyer on the best available scoring 3, but...well, we'll see. JaF: I like your take. I got the 6 from the 1st and 2nd blueprints from the club. Granted, they're PR docs, but after reading the stuff they've put in print about Shaddy and Smith, I don't think they're going anywhere and you can add them to the top 3. It's mushy stuff. Here's another thing to take into consideration: no matter who they decide to keep from the Gomes, Bassy, Snyder, Rhino group, they'll have to lock up for at least 3-4 years (you can probably get by with 2 on Snyder). With the possibility of 4 picks in next year's draft, I think you can lock in quick fix, minimum players a'la Richard and the 2nd rounders. As much as I think Glen is kind of goofy for mentioning it, and as much as I think the whole blueprint thing is more of a marketing gimmick than anything else, 6 survivors is about right with this group. If they're staring at the possibility of 7 draft picks in the next 2 years (granted, they'll likely move a few), and they still have Marko, Madsen, and Buckner to clear, there ain't a lot of room. My one disagreement with you is on Walker's contract. The ability to clear $9 mil is a nice thing to have and I'd like to think that the main reason why Toine wasn't moved was because the Wolves got a call or two from interested teams.
Andy G (not verified)09:37pm
Mar 3
I know the draft speculation gets tiring, but I have one last thought. If we end up in that 3 spot, I doubt very much that any scenario gets us Rose or Beasley, since they seem to be a step above the rest and even if Memphis is involved, they'll gladly trade down for a Derrick Rose suitor--(who might in fact turn out to be MN trading up a spot or two in exchange for our early 2nd rounder?) Anyway, if we are at the 3, and can't get Rose or Beasley, is there any chance of us taking Eric Gordon? He's #3 on Chad Ford's Big Board and has looked really strong all year. He's another of the "combo guards" but seems like he's got a higher ceiling as either a 1 or 2 than our current guys. I'd guess he's the biggest risk of repeating past (arguable) mistakes, but seems like a huge talent. If it becomes Deondre Jordan vs. Eric Gordon, I'd have a hard time passing up the huge talent for the 44% free throw shooter logging 21 minutes per game at Texas A&M.
Just a Fan (not verified)09:43pm
Mar 3
If we get #3, I would be seriously looking for the trading partner that wants Gordon and is willing to get us in 5-10 range this year plus something in 1st round next year. I see Gordon as super redundant to Foye/McCants. While I agree with you that his ceiling may be higher, it would not be high enough for me to take him based on all the other skills sets we lack on the roster.
Andy G (not verified)09:48pm
Mar 3
Good point--trading down never occurred to me. If we get the 3 or 4, which is pretty likely, I'd hope we move either direction--up for Rose or down for an additional pick.
antonymous (not verified)10:26pm
Mar 3
I agree - Beasley and Rose are the highest ceiling guys (and I'd take either with #2), but let's not lose sight of the fact that most of these projected lottery picks are freshman. 19 years old. Barring divine intervention, they are likely NOT going to help right away. Yes, NBA seasoning tells the story more than the college game does, but imagine if Corey Brewer had come out a year earlier and we had drafted him - where would we stand now? No real point here, just something to think about. I just don't want to be a team that takes on a high-potential project (DeAndre Jordan, for example), and has to wait several years before we know what we have. I'd be all for trading down if we don't end up with a top pick in the lottery, especially if it means getting someone with a bit more experience. Hibbert is the too obvious choice, being one of the few Seniors out there, but guys like Collison or Augustin have a year or two more experience than the frosh drafted above them and would also be decent picks in the mid-to-late first round. One guys who really reminds me of Al Jefferson (and hence, is undraftable) is UCLA's Kevin Love - lots of crafty post moves and a nose for rebounding. Also, March Madness will soon be upon us, so we'll have plenty to speculate about - this is the time of year when a team wins two games in a row, and suddenly their "star" moves into the projected first round! ;)
sean (not verified)10:29am
Mar 4
I would actually like a project type guy who would allow us to stockpile some talent and have it all come together in 3-4 years...I like the blueprint of a team like portland who has several high draft picks in 3 or 4 drafts in a row...so take a guy like Deandre Jordan (who is the coveted shot blocker type guy), then take another in the top 5 next year and run out a lineup in a couple years of Jordan Jefferson Brewer (+20 pounds from right now) Foye/McCants or stud 1st rounder Telfair/Foye or stud 1st rounder Which sounds better to me than drafting Eric Gordan, who even if he improves us 15 wins, puts us in the 35 win range...and out of the lottery, which would make it harder to add the talent to compete in the super competitive west... Just a thought
Just a Fan (not verified)09:39pm
Mar 3
SnP, I think we agree more on Walker than you think. My take was mainly from a competitive skills standpoint. From that perspective, I don't see a role for him as his one strong skill (3-point shooting) is I feel decreasing in value which is offset by a nearly complete loss of foot speed making him a serious defensive liability on a team. But I completely agree that the $9M expiring contract can be a valuable asset. But I still think it is more mid year than this summer. Think about it. In many ways, Walker has similar skills/liabilities as Wally. Wally had value to Cleveland, who sees a chance to win this year and took a roll of the dice. Maybe, just maybe, we will find someone in the same boat next year who maybe willing to trade a young piece+draft choice for Walker as a rental player. If not, $9M off the books next year is still a good thing.
b (not verified)11:49pm
Mar 3
Here's a link to the contracts of the Timberwolves: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota.htm Juwan Howard's $7+ million buyout really restricts the Wolves from doing much of anything in free agency. But what about trades? Further up in the comments, there is talk of Foye and McCants being building blocks. I always here from Hanny and JimPete that everyone but Jefferson knows they are "auditioning for the next year's team." But which team? It seems to me that Jefferson is the only player the Wolves shouldn't even think about trading. But everyone else, why not? As is painfully evident, the young Wolves have a tough time matching up with anyone on the front line or the back court. At this point calling Foye, McCants, or Telfair building blocks is looking at their performances through rose colored glasses. I know they are young players and I have loved to watch Bassy become a great team player who hustles, dishes, takes care of the ball, and is developing a decent shot. Foye has played for just over a season. He does need more time and is still rusty. McCants missed a year due to injury as well and seems to have mellowed from his tantrum prone beginning of the season. But these players are not expendable and could easily fit into other teams' plans. What's more they do not currently fit together into any sort of team that can win on a consistent basis. So why is it out of the question to trade McCants and/or Foye? I haven't heard any talk of this. Why not get someone who compliments Jefferson better? Of course much of this depends on the draft and who the Wolves want back off the current squad. But won't that depend on what players get drafted? If Rose is taken, then why not let Telfair go and let McCants and Foye trade off at the two spot and let Foye play some point with the second unit? If Beasley is drafted, why not try and get someone in trade for McCants and/or Foye that can compliment Bassy better? I just don't see anyone besides Jefferson as a real building block right now, rather they are players with "potential" that happen to have long-term contracts. That is not so much a building block as a loadstone. I also must say that I think Foye, McCants, and Bassy can all develop into very solid players. But any "star" potential has been slow in the offing.
Just a Fan (not verified)08:17pm
Mar 3
SnP, I like a lot of your line up. But I think far more positions are open. Using your list: 1- Jefferson 2- Foye 3- Brewer These 3 are guaranteed corner stones of the franchise - though which positions Brewer/Foye play are open for some debate. 4- Madsen 5- Marko 6- Walker These 3 are given due to unmovable contracts. Madsen, however, will see the inactive list nearly every game (except for injury). Marko hopefully will find a role. Walker is a serious problem. No role on the team, but also no real trade value this summer. His value will increase once the season begins and contenders start having injury problems. Will he work hard to improve his trade value (and get his wish) or will he do a "Ratliff" and tank the season? Don't know. But he does take up a spot at the beginning. 7- Top pick Here is where decisions become an issue. I firmly believe that we have to take the top player available regardless of position. So, Rose or Beasley it is (Please let us get our no worse than #2 pick!!) 1 of 2 (Total of 8) Telfair Shaddy This will be based on what happens with the top pick. If its Beasley, Foye becomes a 1 and Telfair is need for back up. If it's Rose, Foye becomes a combo and McCants becomes 6th man for instant offense. We can't have 3 undersized 1/2 in the 8 man rotation (Telfair, Foye, McCants) - only one of these guys (McCants/Telfair) stays. The only way both stay is if we fall into a lower position and reach to take a 5 in the draft. 2 of 3 (Total = 10) Smith Richard Draft choice of a pure 5 Last night's game showed that, at least in the West, size matters. It also shows, again, that Smith/Jefferson are not going to survive as a tandem when confronted with a physical line up. We need some size. If we can draft a 5, we can keep Smith as a back up. If we don't, Richard must stay as a 4/5 back up which I think make Smith a sign and trade candidate for some other team as we attempt to land our 5. 2 of 3 (Total 12) Synder Gomes Buckner Still need glue guys and each of these guys brings some strong skills to the table. I think each will accept limited roles. I think the decision here will be 100% based on $$$ and years need to sign each one. 2 of 2 (Total 14) 2nd rounder (or trade up to mid-1st) 2nd rounder I am not sure where to confirm this but I believe we have a total of 3 draft picks likely this year. Who ever are the final 2, they will make the team. Have to do this = otherwise the $$ will not add up in the coming years as Al's contract kicks in as will Foye's extension, etc. 1 Wild Card (Total 15) Can we lure a low priced free agent? Doubtful. Can we find a hidden gem FA? Unlikely. Do we keep someone that I "cut" from the above list? Likely, if the $$$ are right. That is how I see it.
Nate (not verified)05:37pm
Mar 3
Good point, Stop n Pop on Snyder and Gomes. I'm not saying Snyder is better than Gomes. But, the wolves should play Snyder big minutes the rest of the season to see if he can fill a Gomes like role for much, much cheaper. It's possible Gomes will get solid money from a contender looking for glue. The wolves should find out what they can get from Snyder for much cheaper. Of course, by playing him major minutes they could learn that Gomes is worth the money. I just worry that teams have a tendency (certainly the wolves have) to overvalue their own players.
antonymous (not verified)10:58pm
Mar 3
I hear you on the overvaluing your own players idea. But sometimes a relative unknown like Ime Udoka gets plucked by the Spurs and you have to re-think. When you watch guys all season, you can't help but grow a little attached to them and their particular skill set. Plus, you never really know what you have until the chips are on the table - Bynum goes down, Lakers expect more losses, but their bench guys / glue guys / fan favorites like Turiaf, Walton, and Farmar fill the void. Yes, Gasol has been instrumental, but he also can't play 48 minutes a night. Houston is another team in a similar situation - who knew/cared about Landry and Scola until Yao went down? They're the hottest team in basketball, but I'll bet only the diehards really know what those two bring to the table. But I have to wonder why they didn't want Kirk Snyder? And why they WOULD want Gerald Green? I like Snyder too (so far) and want more minutes from him - he's a nice complementary piece (read: a defender) at the SG/SF, but how many glue guys does it take before the fumes make us all delusional?
antonymous (not verified)11:11pm
Mar 3
UGH! Forgot the point that made me post that reply - instead I started rambling! Gomes is a combo forward (SF/PF) and Snyder I see as a SG/SF. Both appear to be above-average defenders (especially for tweeners), but I think their role on this team depends on how our complexion will change in the next few years. If we continue to play Al at center, Gomes has the edge because he can sorta play the PF (as can Smith). If we slide Al to his natural PF, Gomes is squeezed into competition with Brewer, Jaric, and Snyder at the SF. And we still don't have a center. But Snyder can also do double-duty by relieving McCants if he's getting torched and Foye is at the PG spot. There are just too many unanswered questions about this team to make a call, so these last games will be important chemistry-wise.
Stop-n-Pop (not verified)05:57am
Mar 4
I remember reading somewhere that someone in the Rockets front office had a Boston connection and was one of the folks responsible for bringing Green on board. Plus, he's a hometown kid down there.
Anonymous (not verified)10:33am
Mar 4
The Rockets got rid of Snyder for financial reasons - not sure on the specifics but I think it had something to do with saving money which they then spent on picking up Bobby Jackson. Trading Snyder for Green let them add the player they wanted while staying under the luxury tax.
Andy G (not verified)05:38pm
Mar 3
I missed the game, but now see that Brewer played 39 minutes, Snyder played 33 and Foye played 33. McCants played 24, and scored 18 points in that short time. That reeks of tanking...was he on fire? I guess they figured they needed to lose against Seattle, but it's too bad they yanked McCants to do it. I'd much rather see Snyder, who's future should be a lot more uncertain than Shaddy's, be the one to sit.
Just a Fan (not verified)06:30pm
Mar 3
The issue with McCants was pure match ups. When Ridnour was on the floor with Wilkens, we could play small at 1 and 2 and McCants thrived. But when Seattle went big, either McCants or Foye/Telfair (which ever was in) had a serious size mismatch. Credit Seattle for taking advantage of it whenever they could. We had to respond with Synder/Brewer playing 2-3; thus killing McCants' minutes. Personally, I think this may become a longer term concern considering Telfair, Foye (as a 2) and McCants (as a 2) are all considerably undersized.
Just a Fan (not verified)06:48pm
Mar 3
Britt, At least last night, I really felt that Foye/Telfair were hung out to dry by Jefferson/Smith far too frequently. I think the bigs were so focused on Wilcox (so well pointed out) that they compensated with feeble shows on the pick and roll. Really put Foye/Telfair in a hole from my perspective. That said, Foye committed 2 huge mental errors at the end of the game. There is no defense (pun intended) for Foye's back peddle on Ridnour's 3 in the last few seconds. You can trade baskets all day and not lose. You can't give up a 3 (traditional or otherwise). Foye needs to know that by now. Foye's press up on Brewer's missed freethrow was also a big mistake. What Foye was doing that far up the court is anyone's guess. But I disagree if Wittman's comment was implicating Brewer's actions. We were taught that if the shooter missed a free throw at the end of the game, it was their responsibility to pressure the ball (in hopes of causing a turnover or simply to cause the other team to use more time) while everyone else gets back. Reasoning was that if the shooter was properly following through, his momentum would be going forward - hence you were in a better position to play defense going forward toward the person who grabbed the rebound. Which is exactly what Brewer did and, in my mind, should have done. I really think that the Florida guys have better fundamentals/old school knowledge than what Wittman gives them credit for. Hats off to Billy D. for teaching old school basketball.
wtd3 (not verified)09:54pm
Mar 3
Agreed on the great fundamentals demonstrated by Brewer, especially in the last few games, as well as Richard, in his limited minutes. I know that some people (locally and nationally) have not been too excited about Brewer, but I think that last night's game shows why Brewer was a good draft choice. True, he's got a ways to go, especially on the shot consistency, but his energy on defense is infectious (the Rhino was diving for steals all over the place following Brewer's example), he takes shots within the flow of the offense, and his size at the 3 (or the 2) is an asset on an otherwise largely undersized team. Go Corey.
Peter Weinhold (not verified)07:05pm
Mar 3
Let's not forget about Foye's backpedaling that allowed Ridnour to hit the three with 10 seconds left in the game. Jim Pete incorrectly offered that Foye had to be concerned about the layup as well, but in that instance, the right basketball move would have been to force Luke to make the layup, taking a couple of more ticks off the clock, and keeping a two point Seattle deficit in place. We seem to be lacking BB-IQ in the critical moments of the game. Hmm...why is that? Perhaps, as Petersen says, we just don't have enough of the insider knowledge to truly appreciate how hard the coaches work. However, as an ordinary, ignorant fan, I take a look at how many potential victories have been stolen away at the last minutes of Wolves games, against other teams with coaches who also work very hard at their craft, and I objectively wonder about the quality of our staff. But, as I've pointed out in other venues, the Wolves season ticket campaign creates broadcast narratives that have a Jerry Lewis/MDA telethon or MPR pledge drive quality to it. As a result, it may take Wittman getting fired before we find out what Jim Pete Barnum really thinks about the coaching staff.
Britt Robson09:09pm
Mar 3
Wow-- I pop on here about 9 p.m., just six hours after posting (that "early afternoon" promise didn't work out) and see some of the most thorough and informed commentary about the recent past (as in last night's game) present and future of the Timberwolves. It's a pleasure to unlock the door and let you folks wander in to occupy the booths and stools and speak your minds. It's genuinely enlightening. One comment: Foye's defense remains way behind the other aspects of his game. I don't recall him being this slow from stance to first sidle on his lateral response, so maybe it is still the knee. It shouldn't be the effort, or lack of knowledge of the system. Yes, I could and should have called him out for backing off of Ridenour--who penetrates a tad more than Watson, but Seattle's point guards probably take opponents off the dribble as infrequently as any pair in the league. I'm just in the mood to give him a little more time, make sure all the kinks are gone.
Peter Weinhold (not verified)11:01pm
Mar 3
Okay, if Foye isn't up to snuff, that leads to the question of why off of a pair of free throws does Wittman leave Foye in the game to guard Ridnour. We've seen this before, the failure to adjust. Another example: Last week in Toronto, at the beginning of the second half, Big Al has three fouls in the game. What does Wittman do? Has him guard Bosh, who goes straight at Jefferson two consecutive possessions and gets easy scores, because Al doesn't want to pick up a fourth so quickly. This starts the Raptors on their big run to victory. These are simply two of the latest examples of some pretty mediocre leadership. The reason why Wittman has a abysmal won loss record simply isn't because Z got hurt in Cleveland, and he's had bad talent here. Again, looking at it from a mere fan's perspective, it seems one makes a lot of their own luck in this league.
Steve J (not verified)08:51am
Mar 4
I keep telling myself that it's not possible, but is anyone else just a little bit nervous about Bassy leaving town at the end of this season and developing into the third well-above-average ex-Wolves PG? Perhaps he'll shave his head completely and do commercials with Sam I Am and Billups.
antonymous (not verified)10:09am
Mar 4
I'm worried less that he'll become as good as either of those two players (or even a Marbury), but more because we're really hurting for depth at the PG slot. He can start on our lowly squad, but would really improve his stature in the league as a backup playing with some good shooters. Hopefully he'll be able to accept that on our team if/when we bring in some PG help.
jesse (not verified)05:03pm
Mar 4
Ok, I am still watching the wolves, well, for the most. It's been tailing off since the all star break. I have been a huge Foye supporter since he got here. I still am. But like Britt has pointed out, I too have noticed his defense is horrid. Granted it was one of his first games back but I remember how Kirk Hinrich walked, ran, galluped, jumped or moved in any which way he wanted to against Foye's defense. Things haven't changed. That being said, I do like the minutes that have been being dished to Brewer. As much as I like Jefferson, he's not a franchise player YET in my mind. Britt, yes he did find some nice dishes in the seattle game. But consistency marks growth and level. When he gets more consistant, I'll like his game more. He doesn't have to average 5 assits to be a good passer in my book. Look at Tim Duncan, to me he doesn't average a lot of assists, but he knows when to and how to. Oh and I have no problem likening Jeffereson to Tim Duncan's game. Height and position may be different, but there seems to be something with their foot work, knack for scoring in the paint and overall basketball IQ. Call me crazy, but if we have a shot at Derrick Rose, umm.. I'm for it. I also see a lot of unmentioned talent on that Kansas squad other than Beasley. There is one guy that to me could be like Josh Howard. Seeing that our youngsters are getting time, and tanking isn't gonna happen. I think it's ok to mention the draft a bit :) Great stuff Britt and fellow bloggers!
Snyder (not verified)05:36pm
Mar 4
Draftniks will be happy to know ESPN has brought back the Lottery Mock Draft. They're predicting the Wolves take Derrick Rose with the #2 pick. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2008/mockdraft

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